The Fuxtor
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I like shuffle on multi disc changers. Would never use it on single disc players . I never use any programming features on any of them...
What's the most useless, over-designed, or badly designed feature ?
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cpt_paranoia
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Thanks. Reading the 'how it works' bit pretty much tallies with my recollection. It is a 0.2 ms delay, phase inversion and high frequency cut, summed into the opposite channel.
Sgt Shultz
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And if already knowing that then your comparison to the ambiance circuit in a boombox was for what reason eh.
If you've never heard it in operation then here's an example of what it actually accomplishes.
If a Zeppelin fan you've heard Whole Lotta Love more than once, there's a portion where the music is traversing left right left right back and forth, this is true with the negative affects of interaural crosstalk, not so once eliminated. Eliminating interaural crosstalk is just as important as eliminating crosstalk further up the chain if wanting to hear the music in full stereo
Now it's a counter clockwise circle starting behind the front wall circling around 10' outside the left speaker coming around to hit you in the chest as it passes then on to 10' outside the right speaker and back to the front, around and around. All with just two speakers correctly set up.
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Carver gimmicks, once the fanfare wears off move on to the next one, repeat often. 
I could get all kinds of gee whiz effects with my first and only AVR (Yamaha) with music, didn't ever make it sound more realistic in the end.
I could get all kinds of gee whiz effects with my first and only AVR (Yamaha) with music, didn't ever make it sound more realistic in the end.
Sgt Shultz
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cpt_paranoia
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Because that's how those 'spatial stereo' processors work.
Sgt Shultz
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Right lol
Here's an idea, let's design an amp that creates more crosstalk since it's elimination is a bad idea, oh wait, there already is, it's known as mono lol.
Again, SH is no panacea, it only works for one listener (unlike the "ambience circuit" in a boombox), and only if that person is locked into the sweet spot, again unlike the ambience circuit in a boombox.
I've stated it's virtues, I have a Carver C-16 Preamp as the heart of my main system, the SH is rarely used.
While posting in this thread I had Bitches Brew on the WTL so switched on the SH mid 1st side, the improvement was subtle but still there. The instruments do not take on a different timber as one implied, only a more sold place in the sound field with more air around them. More depth to the sound field, more height, the instruments were just more solid. The difference is subtle enough you have to train yourself to listen on most recordings.
If my mains weren't already time aligned imaging champs the improvement would have been greater. Again, I rarely use the SH because my lady is usually listening with me.
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RunOutGroove
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To me fully auto is overkill and more mechanically complex than is necessary. Something though that pulls the tonearm off of the record and turns off the motor is a nice feature in my book... even if some tables that have this kind of feature don't work perfectly....automatic TTs....
Sgt Shultz
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With the better tables the semi auto feature is completely innocuous to the SQ only using the cue mech to lift the arm then power down.
Here's a fine example of an endgame semi auto deck
It's difficult to have a discussion with someone that doesn't really understand what is being discussed. lol
RunOutGroove
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Endgame, huh? That looks like an finely made, expensive table (though who really knows about such a thing by just looking at a photo?) but I still imagine that "endgame semi-auto" and all around endgame are really two very different categories. Not that I really care as I'm happy with my relatively modest gear and not sure that I would trade semi-auto for fully manual no matter how good it is (I kinda gotta have that feature!) though I wish that the semi-auto on my Yamaha table worked a bit better.
SoCal Sam
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I've owned and heard Carver seps and receivers with SH. IIRC, SH is a button that activates SH generator. That looks like a fancy filter to me but hey, what do I know. I have a pair of Polk SDA2's. I also have heard and owned Bose 301's and 901's. All are attempts to expand sound field. It's clear you like sound effects which is fine by me. I prefer accuracy and simplicity which is provided by straight line sources and full range speakers with a tweeter and minimal crossover. For me, the three brands I mentioned sound fake and over-manipulated. And no, I never quote manufacturers' marketing materials when justifying my personal preference.
intro6
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Their "red" has been in name only for some time now.
Sgt Shultz
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What's beneath it's beautiful exterior
Some like to run them nude and with multiple arms
I have it's little brother the KD-770D, another fine semi auto table.
Most of my decks are fully manual
Sgt Shultz
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Comparing SH to Bose stereo everywhere concept shows exactly how much you understand about Polk and Carver's designs, WOW lol.
As for accuracy +/-2db 22hz- 45khz
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spicer
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Great when you live where the roads are a bit crunchy..
It's interesting where one person's most valued feature is another's annoyance..
( I offer the blue Led, as proof China has an inferiority complex, and wants to torture us all ..)
A little gain riding can be very useful, would be nice if it is adjustable and of course has an on/off mode.
To that I will say some worked really well example loudness button on my sta2080 or the Denon I had that just made it muddy and still had no bass esp at low levels ! Not judging all demons just the dra825 I had sucked !
SoCal Sam
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I learned a long time ago that anyone can like anything. While I don't like Bose, I respect those that love Bose and there are plenty of them here. How about un-circling the wagons?
SDA is a speaker array similar to Bose 901. Both have severe limitations because it is impossible to match multiple drivers operating in the same band. There will be timing issues due to different reaction times between the drivers. Result is speaker distortion which is the case of the 901 is shockingly high. Being a SFV resident close to JBL's Northridge facility, I met a JBL speaker tester and he told me the figure they measured. I won't quote the figure due to Bose's litigious tendencies but I will say the result to my ears is blurred image. My SDA2's are somewhat different sounding but not a lot better than Bose. So yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about.
kbwhaaland
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I find this half odd. Channel balance on cartridges can be quite off. My phono amp has a +/- 2 dB balance control. Quite handy.