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Which Adcom amp is best?

Adcom amps sound decently good, as I stated before. No need to circle the wagons, your sonic taste is not in question. The point I am making is technical in nature. No speaker relay in a 20 year old amp is asking for trouble. That is an inconvenient truth that Adcom lovers tend to push under the rug.
 
I just repaired a 585 for someone who has been running 555s for years. He said the low end of the 585 puts the 555 to shame.

FWIW :smoke:
 
I love my 5800, the only adcom I would swap it for would be the 5802 which, I have read but have no experience with, has cleaner/tighter bass. I am not a basshead and honestly hadn't noticed the 5800 being flabby as some call it. Perhaps with more bass heavy music than I listen to, which is mostly Jazz and folk - folk/rock, it would be more of an issue. The 5800 also has fans but I have never had any issues with them being loud enough to hear.
 
Is this pretty or what... ?

I'd think a pair of Magnepan's 3.6 would mate well with this system...

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I once called up Vandersteen to ask what amp they would recommend for their 1B speakers. I was putting together a system on a tight budget, before eBay and Craigslist.

I got Mr. Vandersteen himself! His recommendation was for the 535.

Never did put that system together but I'd trust his judgment. Note this is one of the lower powered Adcoms.
 
I have 2 GFA-535's a GFA-535 II and have had a 545 and both the 555 and the 555 II. The 535, 535 II and 545 all sounded similar (but not exactly) the same. I didn't care for the 555 as much, but that isn't to say it was bad.

As for the speaker protection it's nice, but I have a lot of time on the 535's with no issues. The one in my garage has been on almost continuously for a few years now and shows no signs of problems. I think you would hear something going wrong and should pull the amp out of service before it fails so bad it wipes out a set of speakers. Not saying that a sudden failure can't happen, I just think it's fairly rare. I'd buy another non-protected adcom in a second. With any gear that has unknown history I like to do a good inspection before I use it.
 
I have 2 GFA-535's a GFA-535 II and have had a 545 and both the 555 and the 555 II. The 535, 535 II and 545 all sounded similar (but not exactly) the same. I didn't care for the 555 as much, but that isn't to say it was bad.

As for the speaker protection it's nice, but I have a lot of time on the 535's with no issues. The one in my garage has been on almost continuously for a few years now and shows no signs of problems. I think you would hear something going wrong and should pull the amp out of service before it fails so bad it wipes out a set of speakers. Not saying that a sudden failure can't happen, I just think it's fairly rare. I'd buy another non-protected adcom in a second. With any gear that has unknown history I like to do a good inspection before I use it.

By the time you hear something failing at the speakers, your voice coils will have overheated and suffered irreparable damage. In fact, you may not hear anything wrong except for the volume slowly decreasing on its own as the VC melts and jams in the gap before finally breaking.

I'm not saying this for Adcom's only. Any amp without a speaker relay pose the same elevated risk including some iconic models like the Marantz 510M and 1200.
 
I have been running JBL L300's with 555's for years, I also use a 5500, I think it has the sonic edge between the two.

Never had an issue of "speaker frying"..

solid, reliable, American, Adcom rocks
 
Thank you again for all the posts!
I think I will go with 5400 so my speakers won't be fryed.

I really appreciate all the help - voice of experience...
 
My favorite of that series is the lowly GFA-535 II.

Same here. Sure is one sweet sounding amp. I gave my Adcom GFA-535II/GTP-450 combo with a pair of Dynaco A25s to a close friend as a house warming gift a few years ago. He still rocks it daily :yes:
 
I have been running JBL L300's with 555's for years, I also use a 5500, I think it has the sonic edge between the two.

Never had an issue of "speaker frying"..

solid, reliable, American, Adcom rocks

$3,000 speakers on a $200 amp with no relay??? All amps will fail. The question is do you want to replace a $500 driver in your L300's as well.
 
Mention Adcom and the bashers come out in force, as they used to often do for Bose but that has finally decreased significantly. How about a list of all amps which lack the relay, as well as a definitive list of Adcoms with/without? Or just continue bashing Adcom since that's so much easier, and doesn't step on the toes of someone else's favorite amp brands/models.

The detractors are getting boring with their one-verse, one-note song as interesting as listening to a metronome; Ho and Hum. Yes, the sky is falling, Chicken Little, we heard you the first thousand times. Love my Adcoms and they do sound great and are quite special; I will never mention the subject again because it would never end.
 
Mention Adcom and the bashers come out in force, as they used to often do for Bose but that has finally decreased significantly. How about a list of all amps which lack the relay, as well as a definitive list of Adcoms with/without? Or just continue bashing Adcom since that's so much easier, and doesn't step on the toes of someone else's favorite amp brands/models.

The detractors are getting boring with their one-verse, one-note song as interesting as listening to a metronome; Ho and Hum. Yes, the sky is falling, Chicken Little, we heard you the first thousand times. Love my Adcoms and they do sound great and are quite special; I will never mention the subject again because it would never end.

:thmbsp: +1
 
Mention Adcom and the bashers come out in force, as they used to often do for Bose but that has finally decreased significantly. How about a list of all amps which lack the relay, as well as a definitive list of Adcoms with/without? Or just continue bashing Adcom since that's so much easier, and doesn't step on the toes of someone else's favorite amp brands/models.

The detractors are getting boring with their one-verse, one-note song as interesting as listening to a metronome; Ho and Hum. Yes, the sky is falling, Chicken Little, we heard you the first thousand times. Love my Adcoms and they do sound great and are quite special; I will never mention the subject again because it would never end.

You will tell us when you lose a driver??:scratch2: Doubt it.

And it is not just Adcom's that I recommend against. It is any solid state amp that does not have a relay. Some Acurus models come to mind in addition to the two Marantz models I mentioned above.
 
I know zip about Adcom amplifiers.
But it would be foolish, stubborn or downright pig-headed to risk a $nice$ pair of speakers running them with an amp without speaker protection built-in, no matter how nice it sounds.
Unless protection circuitry is just a meaningless bell 'n whistle:)
 
By the time you hear something failing at the speakers, your voice coils will have overheated and suffered irreparable damage. In fact, you may not hear anything wrong except for the volume slowly decreasing on its own as the VC melts and jams in the gap before finally breaking.

I'm not saying this for Adcom's only. Any amp without a speaker relay pose the same elevated risk including some iconic models like the Marantz 510M and 1200.

Most pieces of equipment that I've had fail have always given me some kind of warning signs long before the failure has progressed to the point it's blown something up.

I'm not saying that sudden failures don't happen, just that they are not the norm.

If the equipment checks out good then I'd run it if it sounds good. I would not discount a good sounding amp just because it doesn't have output protection. But that's a personal choice and for me it has worked fine.
 
Nice sounding amps.Not to crazy about there two layer
PC boards.
 
From Adcom:

"GFA-5500

Note: Many of the design features in the GFA-5500 are virtually identical to the GFA-5800 power amplifier. The primary difference between these amplifiers is power output. The circuit topology and design concepts are virtually identical.

POWER SUPPLY

Completely Separate Secondary Main Power Systems.
The GFA-5500 has a specially wound high power toroidal transformer which completely isolates the two channel secondary systems, not even sharing the ground connection. This eliminates ground loops and greatly reduces the possible interactions between power channels.

High Capacitance Storage
Each channel has nearly 120 Joules of energy storage, adequate for 14 kilowatts of power at 10% ripple. Under normal operation, the power supply ripple voltage is less than 1%.

Separate High Voltage Front End Supplies
The front end circuitry of each channel is supplied power by its own high voltage system - including separate transformer windings, bridge rectifiers and filter capacitors for each channel. This eliminates interaction between the early gain stages of the amplifier and the high power occurring in the output stages. The front end system is operated at a higher voltage than the output stage. This not only improves the distortion characteristic of the front end, but allows the front end to;drive the output stage to its supply rails - obtaining every bit of available power to the load.

In Rush Limiting
The power supplies feature inrush limiting which prevents the high current surges which would normally accompany the charge cycle of the transformer and the power supply capacitors on turn-on.

CIRCUITRY

100% MOSFET Construction
All audio elements of the amplifier are Power Mosfets. Even the input transistors are power devices, capable of as much as 2 amps of current by themselves. The transconductance characteristic of Mosfets have a number of advantages which are put to good use. Their high input impedance allow for the use of an extremely simple gain path, and their negative thermal characteristics give high thermal stability, allowing high output stage bias, low offset voltages, and very high output current and voltage with reliable operation. The characteristics of the Power Mosfets are sonically superior to the Bipolar transistor, delivering all of the muscle of Bipolar circuitry with the sweeter qualities found in tube equipment.

Ultra Simple Gain Path
Most high end amplifiers have at least 5 successive gain stages associated with their signal path. Some have even more. The GFA-5500 achieves all of its performance with only three. That's two stages less for the signal to travel through, and it makes a difference.

Single Ended Class A Front End Circuitry
The front end circuitry is single ended Class A. Single ended is the purest form of Class A operation, and yields the most pleasing sonic characteristics. It is also the most stable class because the gain devices are biased by constant sources which do not vary their bias under changing temperature or dynamic conditions.

Doubly Regulated Active Current Sources
The current sources in txe GFA-5500 are doubly regulated for absolute stability. This stability gives the front end circuitry the ability to ignore supply fluctuations, noise and signals from the other channel (crosstalk). It also provides operation which does not vary with temperature or age. The voltage references driving each source are filtered passively, with different time constants, which allowing for staggered turn-on of the sources, giving low turn-on thump.

Ultra Matched Devices
The output Mosfets are mated to within 2.5% of each other at the bias point, and the input devices are matched to within 0.25%. In the output stage this yields lower distortion and more reliable performance. Tighter tolerances also achieves lower output impedance (higher damping factor) and higher output currents. In the input stage, this yields lower distortion, lower DC offset voltages, and higher thermal stability.

Ultra Low Feedback
The very simple gain path has been configured for very low amounts of feedback. This contributes to the warm and musical quality of the sound and the high stability of the amplifier with a wide variety of loads.

High Power Output Stage
The amplifier uses International Rectifier Hexfets exclusively in all gain stages. The output stage uses the highest Power Mosfet types available. The output stage of each channel is capable of withstanding transients of about 3 kilowatts.

High Current Output
Each channel uses 10 Power Mosfet output devices. These devices are each rated to handle 20 amps of output current. This output capacity is adequate to deliver full power into 2 ohm loads, and the amplifier is completely stable driving 1 ohm or less.

Low Impedance Performance
The amplifier does not produce significantly higher distortion readings into low impedance loads, unlike other amplifiers on the market. Watt for watt, the distortion into 2 ohms is only slightly higher than that into 8 ohms.

Near Class A Bias
Each channel of the amplifier is biased at about 50 watts idle current. This is a lot, and represents near-Class A operation for most listening levels, giving depth and ambiance to its sound. The distortion curve is monotonic, (distortion decreases with level) and is primarily 2nd harmonic at listening levels.

Thermal and Error Warning Indicators
Each channel has a LED to indicate over temperature or excessive distortion.

CONSTRUCTION

Modular Channel Construction
All of the active circuitry for each channel is on a single printed circuit board mounted on the heat sink. This assures short signal paths, accurate wiring placement, and allows for easier servicing. Outboard heatsinks provide the necessary air circulation to allow the output devices to operate within their specified temperature range.

GFA-5500 SPECIFICATIONS:

Power Rating (To FTC Requirements)
· 200 Watts continuous average power into 8 ohms at any frequency between 20Hz and 20kHz with both channels driven at less than 0.18% THD.
· 350 Watts continuous average power into 4 ohms at any frequency between 20Hz and 20kHz with both channels driven at less than 0.18% THD.

IM Distortion (SMPTE)
1 watt to 200 watts into 8 ohms.....< 0.05%
1 watt to 350 watts into 4 ohms.....< 0.05%

IM Distortion (CCIF, Any Combination from 4kHz to 20kHz)
200 watts into 8 ohms.....<0.035%
350 watts into 4 ohms.....< 0.035%

THD + Noise at 200 watts into 8 Ohms (Typical)
20Hz.....0.018%
1kHz.....0.020%
10khz.....0.070%
20khz.....0.130%

THD + Noise at 350 watts into 4 Ohms (Typical)
20Hz.....0.018%
1kHz.....0.020%
10kHz.....0.080%
20kHz.....0.160%

Frequency Response at 1 Watt Into 8 Ohms
10Hz to 20kHz.....+0, -0.25dB

Power Bandwidth (-3dB).....3hz to 130kHz

Dynamic Headroom into 4 Ohms.....1.7dB

Signal to Noise Ratio, A Weighted 200 watts into 8 ohms.....> 100dB

Gain.....29dB

Input impedance.....49.9k ohms

Damping Factor 20Hz to 20kHz.....> 700

Rise Time
5kHz, 120V peak-to-peak square wave, 20% to 80%.....1.5uS

Power Consumption (Continuous, Both Channels Driven)
Quiescent.....192VA
Maximum.....1440VA
200 watts into 8 ohms .....660VA
350 watts into 4 ohms.....1165VA

GENERAL
Power (available in 230V by special order).....115VAC 50/60Hz

Chassis Dimensions
7" (178mm) x 17" (432mm) x 13 3/4" (349mm)

Maximum Dimensions
7 1/4" (184mm) x 17" (432mm) x 14 3/4" (375mm)

Weight.....44 lbs. (20kg)

Weight Packed.....50 lbs. (23kg)"

http://www.betke.net/audio/gfa5500.html
 
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