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Why is Streaming so much better than anything else?

eljr said:
What if you just don't spend much time here as your interests and the personality of the site have changed?
Then you are a moocher to be harassed by these pop ups? Maybe they serve to lower the post count as people just steer clear completely?
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Maybe they are simply finding a way to cover the cost of doing business..
If someones interests have changed, why be here.? (and, more to the point, why complain about it given the limited amount of time spent here)
 
I was gonna edit my post, but thought it was best to write another..

I Fully support this site, I didn't subscribe to have the ability to sell on BT, I subscribed because I enjoy AK..
The info I find here is priceless, and for a mere 25 bucks I can scroll thru the site mostly seamlessly..

I don't mind an occasional ad(I do report them in appropiate thread if I feel the need)..
 
eljr said:
Unsurprisingly you missed my point. Maybe totally keeping people away cost's them more.

I did not complain, you read my post wrong. I commented on it. Mistakenly as POLITELY pointed out above.

I come back once a year to launch the Christmas Listening to thread and occasionally for other reasons.

Any other snarky, unhappy comments?

Happy Holidays
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If I misunderstood your post, that's my bad..

Maybe the Grumpy's do more with the funds generated by this site than some are aware..

Nothing 'snarky' about my comment, and I am not unhappy.. :bigok:
 
eljr said:
I stopped, cold turkey, buying CD's, Blu-ray, DVD. I kid you not, it was harder than giving up alcohol, tobacco or caffeine. I was up to over one a day.
I might still buy a Blu-ray for the video experience with the music. (dance, art film, recording is pleasing spaces like great cathedrals or movies like Koyaanisqatsi where the music and visuals meld together).

I had decided in advance that I would not buy another after December 31, 2017. A new years resolution of sorts.

Do you buy downloads? I ask because several of the new releases are only available as a download or streaming. At least in classical where I spend almost all my time now. What do you do in a case like that or are you only interested in older music?

Having a collection is awesome. Totally awesome. Enjoy yours and never stop if that makes you happy.
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I only buy digital downloads if there isn't a physical copy available.

my latest purchases on cd would be the Cure's new album, and Daft Punks Random Access Memories drummless edition; and on blu-ray, the shawscope collections.

BTW, the Blu-ray of Koyaanisqatsi is ABSOLUTELY worth the cost, if you have a big screen. HOLY WOW!
 
The few times I've heard someone streaming, I didn't think it sounded as good as the CD played on my Oppo BDP-95 in my home, though one can't really differentiate between any differences between the act of streaming and the act of being played over a different system.

Listen to Tank. On some systems/streams, it just sounds like a lot of noise.
 
spark1 said:
Do you have any information that would indicate any of the major streaming services are applying DRC to the music files in their libraries?
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  • Spotify: Uses Vorbis and AAC, both lossy compression methods

  • Amazon Music and Tidal: Use -14 LUFS normalization, with normalization on by default

  • Deezer: Uses -15 LUFS normalization, and doesn't allow normalization to be turned off

  • Pandora: Close to -14 LUFS normalization, and doesn't allow normalization to be turned off

  • Apple Music: Uses Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC), a proprietary lossless audio compression technology
No idea about Tidal.
 
titanstats said:
  • Spotify: Uses Vorbis and AAC, both lossy compression methods
  • Amazon Music and Tidal: Use -14 LUFS normalization, with normalization on by default
  • Deezer: Uses -15 LUFS normalization, and doesn't allow normalization to be turned off
  • Pandora: Close to -14 LUFS normalization, and doesn't allow normalization to be turned off
  • Apple Music: Uses Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC), a proprietary lossless audio compression technology
No idea about Tidal.
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I play albums with normalization off, but use it for playlists.

As I understand it, normalization applies same amount of gain (or attenuation) to the entire entire recording, so signal to noise and dynamics/dynamic range are not affected.

My concern is dynamic range compression (as opposed to file compression), which if excessive dramatically reduces the benefits of using a high-fidelity sound system. This is true for all mediums, but has of course been a widespread blight with digital media for many years, especially as regards the more popular genres.

If the high-res streaming services decide to start applying another layer of DRC to the content with which they are provided, the promise of high-fidelity streaming will have been lost.

In an ideal world, the music producers would apply range compression only to the extent necessary for a good recording (which would be quite a bit less than has been the norm, especially with pop music), and then the services would offer 2-3 levels of user-selectable, add-on compression. The majority of the market - those listening to earbuds, desktop speakers, phone speakers, etc - would apply the level of compression that makes the sound best for them, while those with higher-fidelity systems would listen "au natural".
 
spark1 said:
As I understand it, normalization applies same amount of gain (or attenuation) to the entire entire recording, so signal to noise and dynamics/dynamic range are not affected.
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You can't make silent less than silent no matter how much you attenuate it. You may reduce its dB, but if you can't hear it anyway all you are doing is reducing the louder parts.
 
toddalin said:
You can't make silent less than silent no matter how much you attenuate it. You may reduce its dB, but if you can't hear it anyway all you are doing is reducing the louder parts.
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Ok.

So what should I be taking away from your post?
 
Seems like this would be the case only if attenuated. Did some more reading, and it appears that LUFS normalization does not attenuate. It only boosts. Is this correct?
 
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