Audio cassettes are full and better then hifi range in frequency response (even type tapes one comes close) and have with chrome sake dynamic range and noise ratio than CD / CDA files and better even with last est generation. analog cassette tapes. So I have no idear what you are trying to say.
Will Cassette Tape ever return
- Thread starter canton
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Not in this market. But historically it is correct, but since 7 years cd are coming back in certain markets! Here it's everywhere, like vinyl and lesser compact cassette tapes and reel.
Normal type I cassette tape latest versions of serious manufactures almost perform redbook cd standard. But not yet. The highs and signal to noise ratio still lack a bit behind 4 % Grosso modo
MaxxVolume
Lunatic Member
Indeed. Although still a "niche format", cassettes provide a good outlet for those who enjoy the creative experience of making a recording on physical media....
I am happy to see that a bit of a revival has stirred up interest in the format.
Undoubtedly, there are still tens of thousands of decent-quality decks out there (most probably unused), but a resurgence in popularity may even promote a new generation of repair technicians among younger enthusiasts....kids tend to jump all over most "new" technology....
Your post is hard to understand, so I may be mistaken....but are you claiming that cassette can achieve the same dynamic range and noise levels as CD?
gkimeng
Forum Mod, ClassicSpeakerPages.net
Album sales (physical or digital download) is a rapidly shrinking share of the music market. In 2020, 75% of the music business went to streaming services (paying for access to music, rather than owning it).
Champco
Super Member
A lot of that is hard to be defined as music. I call it beat poetry.
I am confused by this statement, this is happen everyday all over the world with Hi-Res streaming and downloads.
Late Boomer
Super Member
All Top 40 stuff is autotuned garbage with primitive lyrics and sound accompaniment (I would not call it music either). But the beauty of on-demand streaming is that you are not limited to Top 40, there is a long tail of tens of millions of songs, many of them are very good, they just do not make it into the "most popular" or "trending" or "what's your friends are listening", etc. You need to search for it. Or, if you can't or don't want to search, rely on those who already have found it, like non-commercial radio stations. YouTube recommendations are getting better and better, so if you listen to a dozen of good songs in sequence, YouTube will start feeding you good stuff
Maybe we can start a thread about modern music that is not in hot rotation. Here (wow, it is 9 years old already, not sure it can be considered modern anymore):
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I used to enjoy recording albums and radio (album rock stations) on RTR (70s), and listening to commercial FM to discover new music.
Then I enjoyed recording albums and making mix tapes on cassette (80's and 90's)...and listening to FM for new music, but mostly non-commercial stations.
Then I enjoyed creating playlists and burning them to CD (00's), and using the web to discover new music.
Now I enjoy discovering new and new-to-me music and making/listening to playlists via lossless/hi-rez streaming (from both the web and my music server).
Things change. I still listen to LPs, but am not buying them anymore. I still listen to CDs, and still occasionally buy them...but mostly used, in much the same way I bough LPs after about 1995). I very occasionally listen to my old home-recorded cassette tapes, but more as a novelty or for "sentimental" reasons. I never listen to RTR, as I sold my deck long ago and never replaced it.
Then I enjoyed recording albums and making mix tapes on cassette (80's and 90's)...and listening to FM for new music, but mostly non-commercial stations.
Then I enjoyed creating playlists and burning them to CD (00's), and using the web to discover new music.
Now I enjoy discovering new and new-to-me music and making/listening to playlists via lossless/hi-rez streaming (from both the web and my music server).
Things change. I still listen to LPs, but am not buying them anymore. I still listen to CDs, and still occasionally buy them...but mostly used, in much the same way I bough LPs after about 1995). I very occasionally listen to my old home-recorded cassette tapes, but more as a novelty or for "sentimental" reasons. I never listen to RTR, as I sold my deck long ago and never replaced it.
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Champco
Super Member
All Top 40 stuff is autotuned garbage with primitive lyrics and sound accompaniment (I would not call it music either). But the beauty of on-demand streaming is that you are not limited to Top 40, there is a long tail of tens of millions of songs, many of them are very good, they just do not make it into the "most popular" or "trending" or "what's your friends are listening", etc. You need to search for it. Or, if you can't or don't want to search, rely on those who already have found it, like non-commercial radio stations. YouTube recommendations are getting better and better, so if you listen to a dozen of good songs in sequence, YouTube will start feeding you good stuff
Interesting video in it is musicians playing but it sounds like midi engineering if I did not have the video to watch. Only listened to part of it so far. I grew watching the whole disco, & techno eras. Electronics did and has altered music and I suspect will keep on altering. Music has a soul. It must remain or it is like like a advertisement trying to get your attention. Irritating. Disco had no soul but it brought people together on the dance floor so its popularity was inevitable.
Techno was a cultural phenomenon in that it transgressed all economic barriers. i think it was the drugs. Not certain what ya call this music but it's back to musicians?
gkimeng
Forum Mod, ClassicSpeakerPages.net
Even before the days of digital, pop music never really taxed the capabilities of most playback equipment. All the voices and instruments are well within the 50-15k frequency range specified by the NAB for FM radio way back when. And before autotune, recording engineers fiddled with knobs to get the same result manually. So it's no surprise that most modern digital pop sounds just fine on gear designed for 45rpm records.
Well I still like tape and have a fair stash of Type II and a few type IV tapes ready to go. Made a mixed tape on my Dragon last week actually. Turned out really nice.
There is just sumpthin' about the analog sound that I like. Same with vinyl.
Will tape make a comeback?..... Probably not like vinyl has.
So if any of you feel the need to unload those pesky NOS 90 min XLIIS, MX or SAX tapes just sitting around collecting dust just let me know.
If I can help any of you out by helping you declutter, and feel good about yourself while doing it, I'm your Badger.
I'm just here to help you out.
(and I have never used Dolby for recording or playing back any of my tapes)
There is just sumpthin' about the analog sound that I like. Same with vinyl.
Will tape make a comeback?..... Probably not like vinyl has.
So if any of you feel the need to unload those pesky NOS 90 min XLIIS, MX or SAX tapes just sitting around collecting dust just let me know.
If I can help any of you out by helping you declutter, and feel good about yourself while doing it, I'm your Badger.
I'm just here to help you out.
(and I have never used Dolby for recording or playing back any of my tapes)
vwestlife
Super Member
Champco
Super Member
Well look what's done now. I went lookin for a video and found this flame war.Modern music is fine. It just needs more banjo solos.
jindotli
New Member
I grew up with cassette although I could only afford a Walkman. Seven months ago, I re-started my cassette journey. I have been enjoying dubbing the pre-recorded type 1 tapes to type II that my wife magically preserved from ~30 years ago.
I see cassette as an alternative to vinyl. A type II REC/PB at 70 EQ on a Dragon sounds as good as the original vinyl record(to me). How was that even possible? I was puzzled for a while, in a good way. The thing about vinyl records, they make wonderful analogue sound. But they are so easy to get damaged. Once damaged, the pop noises are very annoying, a millions times worse than the hiss. I didn’t enjoy moving and flipping records either, especially after a couple of glasses of wine.
I think cassette will do better than the last two decades. It will probably not return to its peak though. The main reason is, IMO, most of listeners seem to enjoy the digital music which never worked for me.
I see cassette as an alternative to vinyl. A type II REC/PB at 70 EQ on a Dragon sounds as good as the original vinyl record(to me). How was that even possible? I was puzzled for a while, in a good way. The thing about vinyl records, they make wonderful analogue sound. But they are so easy to get damaged. Once damaged, the pop noises are very annoying, a millions times worse than the hiss. I didn’t enjoy moving and flipping records either, especially after a couple of glasses of wine.
I think cassette will do better than the last two decades. It will probably not return to its peak though. The main reason is, IMO, most of listeners seem to enjoy the digital music which never worked for me.
I never used Dolby NR either as it “crop”s the “image” of the music. I didn’t like it that the “shape” of music was altered.
zedex
Well-Known Member
Luckily for everyone who loves tape and appreciates the sound and tactile experience. We are already there. We have it. Unfortunately convincing people who have never experienced it, its sometimes a lost cause. Its too much trouble with all the streaming services that are instant. Click a button, you have music.
Sometimes the cost and trouble to get up and running to the levels we have already is too much. Most people today are used to instant gratification and disposable electronics. Hell. Some people upgrade $1000 phones every few years for minimal benefit. Nothing wrong with the old phone. They just want the latest gratification instantly. So i have little hope that it will catch on and somewhat revive like vinyl did.
My nephew who is now 21, just recently got a turntable. Its a $200 wifi,usb TT. The only reason he wants it is to play records over a wifi speaker. I think for the novelty of it all. I dont think he is interested in Cassette at all, although i have never asked him.
I think its pretty cool that some young people are interested in Cassette. Most people think its crap, solely because they dont know it can be very very good. That usually costs money and time to get to that level.
Sometimes the cost and trouble to get up and running to the levels we have already is too much. Most people today are used to instant gratification and disposable electronics. Hell. Some people upgrade $1000 phones every few years for minimal benefit. Nothing wrong with the old phone. They just want the latest gratification instantly. So i have little hope that it will catch on and somewhat revive like vinyl did.
My nephew who is now 21, just recently got a turntable. Its a $200 wifi,usb TT. The only reason he wants it is to play records over a wifi speaker. I think for the novelty of it all. I dont think he is interested in Cassette at all, although i have never asked him.
I think its pretty cool that some young people are interested in Cassette. Most people think its crap, solely because they dont know it can be very very good. That usually costs money and time to get to that level.
