Yamaha GT = Gigantic and Tremendous!

I've done a little research and found this Japanese commentator's remarks in relation to the motor of GT2000.

Someone could do a better translation but from what I can read (Google translation and the original Japanese text) it would appear Yamaha ordered custom made motors from its OEM company (the identity of which is a bit of mystery '犬印社') for GT2000.

It is a coreless motor housed in a slot-less body resulting in the W&F minimised to the extreme. The commentator says the motor is about the best motor in every aspect coming from DD tables.

Oh and when it comes to maintenance it is advised you don't do anything about the motor or the bearing. The oil/grease used in the bearing is specially designed by Yamaha through trial and error and changing it to something else would result in the bearing getting sticky etc.
 
thedelihaus
Can this be verified by anyone here?

A topic that seems to pop up here and there but proof is hard to come by.
That Micro Seiki used "some" Victor/JVC motors, or had them made is one of the strongest
examples.
It is often quoted and I seem to recall a Micro owner
who had a bad motor and ended up using Victor parts to get his going.

Perhaps some technology was patented and would shed some light on the question.

Can I verify this no.
 
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Yamaha GT750 TT

Here's what audio-heritage says (google translated - I changed 'turntable' to 'platter' as Japanese call platters turntables there):



I don't know much about technological stuff but the motor of my GT750 doesn't feel sissy at all. But it's a lot quieter than the transport noise of my CD player. Er. in fact, there is no sound from the table at all. I haven't had GT2000 but by a couple of GT2000 owners who have had GT750 also I was advised I don't really need an upgrade from my GT750 to GT2000 (they'd advise I spend the money on speakers etc) if I want is performance and I certainly feel pretty happy with its performance. I feel like changing it at some stage because, er, I'm not a big fan of black audio gears :D

I purchased the GT750 in Australia and I can say without a shadow of doubt that this younger bro of the GT 2000+ series is no sissy; the 750 is superb. I recently purchased a new head shell for mine so that I can just take one out and then plug in the new one. the shell that came with the gt750 had an AT cartridge in it and it sounded very good however, the new head shell has the Shure M91ED but with non genuine stylus; the improvement ion sound was quite unbelievable across all the frequency ranges I could not be more pleased with this purchase. The turntable that the GT750 replaced was an original factory fitted Pioneer PL 71 DD; I had owned that since 1976 and it replaced a belt driven back then. Anyways my GT750 didn't have the user manual with it nor the tonearm antiskate equipment so I am wanting to get a copy of the manual and if anyone knows where I can buy a compatible antiskate for the GT750 or preferably the original antiskate; it would make the whole system complete.
 
I purchased the GT750 in Australia and I can say without a shadow of doubt that this younger bro of the GT 2000+ series is no sissy; the 750 is superb. I recently purchased a new head shell for mine so that I can just take one out and then plug in the new one. the shell that came with the gt750 had an AT cartridge in it and it sounded very good however, the new head shell has the Shure M91ED but with non genuine stylus; the improvement ion sound was quite unbelievable across all the frequency ranges I could not be more pleased with this purchase. The turntable that the GT750 replaced was an original factory fitted Pioneer PL 71 DD; I had owned that since 1976 and it replaced a belt driven back then. Anyways my GT750 didn't have the user manual with it nor the tonearm antiskate equipment so I am wanting to get a copy of the manual and if anyone knows where I can buy a compatible antiskate for the GT750 or preferably the original antiskate; it would make the whole system complete.

Welcome to AK.

There must be only a few dozen Yamaha Gigantic and Tremendous Turntable Series owners outside of Japan. Everything else that anyone needs, associated with that series needs to come from Japan. They never exported anything from that Series. Not one thing. :no: :tears:
 
Some information here. Sony/Denon/JVC used similar style motors using the same technology. All 3 shared similar servo tonearm technology. So, we can call them relatives.
 
Servo tonearm????

Am I missing something here?

I believe Kent is simply stating how some companies technology was
intertwined, not that servo arms are on your GT 2000.
 
I believe Kent is simply stating how some companies technology was
intertwined, not that servo arms are on your GT 2000.

I wondered whether he'd posted in the wrong thread. :D

The Denons and some of the better Sonys used a magnetic strip on the platter and reading 'tape-head' on the plinth to determine correct speed for the motor. I don't see any of that on the GTs.

Thus I am still having trouble reconciling the comparison.
 
Thought this thread needed a pic:

gt-2000-h.jpg
 
Hey Davidro, do you still own the GT750? did you get the TT private sale or from a dealer? As already posted; I am loking for a copy of the owners manual can I get any help from you please.

In the owners manual, is the tonearm specified as being a low mass or high mass?

what specifications are they recommending for the correct use of cartridge

Are they showing what the naked weight is of the head shell?

This might be the wrong forum for this type of post, but you are the first person that I have found that has one of these; so please forgive the bombardment of questions.
 
Hey Davidro, do you still own the GT750? did you get the TT private sale or from a dealer? As already posted; I am loking for a copy of the owners manual can I get any help from you please.

In the owners manual, is the tonearm specified as being a low mass or high mass?

what specifications are they recommending for the correct use of cartridge

Are they showing what the naked weight is of the head shell?

This might be the wrong forum for this type of post, but you are the first person that I have found that has one of these; so please forgive the bombardment of questions.

The turntable was never sold outside of Japan as a new component. All manuals for it are in Japanese.

Still want one? :scratch2:
 
I am of the opinion that the GT 2000 is the best non broadcast DD turntable you or I will see save for maybe the Trio-Kenwood L-07D or the upper end Micro-Seiki decks. Beautiful machines they are, and superb engineered and superb sound quality all the way. The highest praise I can give ya.
 
The picture of the Yamaha GT provided by Riverrat, is that the GT2000?

That is the GT 2000 with all of the optional extras:

The textured outer portion is the optional cast iron cradle, which acted as a suspension for the turntable. The turntable itself, is the wood (Black Ash) veneered part in the middle of the photo. The cast iron cradle encloses the turntable. Upon the platter is the optional vacuum hold-down accessory. Beside the turntable/cradle is the optional out board power supply.

What they haven't shown is the optional 18.5 Kg (40 pound) gunmetal platter.

I'll bet that with the cradle intact and the gunmetal platter in place, most people would have difficulty lifting the GT 2000. With the stock 6.5 Kg platter (14 pound), the GT 2000 weighs 29Kg (over 60 pounds) with the optional platter that would rise to 42Kg (over 90 pounds). Add on the cast iron cradle and the whole shebang would total be over 100 pounds.

That is one heavy sumbitch. :D
 
What is the availability of parts for repair?

I have been told that Yamaha(Japan) keeps some spares for this TT.

They sold thousands of GT 2000s in Japan. It is probably the best selling premium Direct Drive of all time, and it never sold outside of Japan.

When it was initially released, it was twice as expensive (in stock form, without any of the additionally expensive optional extra items) as the Linn Sondek. Despite the ballyhoo which promoted the Linn as 'The Best Turntable In The World' in the West, the GT 2000(twice as expensive) sold thousands of units. Now, why would thousands of purchasers buy a turntable which was twice as expensive as one which was reputed to be ' THE BEST', if it was just another ordinary Direct Drive? Could it be that they had listened to the two side by side and decided that the twice as expensive one was more than twice as good? :scratch2:

It certainly would suggest that the one touted as 'WORLD'S BEST', wasn't deemed to be good value at half the price of the GT 2000.

So, if you want spare parts, you wait until you see a trashed GT 2000 hit the market (in Japan remember), and buy it as a parts unit.
 
What sort of service/refurbishment is usually required for these things, the usual? Anything special?

I don't think that the bearing requires lubricating. There are basically no after market modifications, because they were built way beyond common expectations from the blueprint stage.

Let's not fall into the trap of thinking that the 750 = 2000 models either. The 750 was what it was. The only options that could be used with it were the arm lifter the record weight the vacuum platter and the like. The stock GT 2000 was designed for a 40 pound platter (the gunmetal one). The stock platter on the GT 2000 (the 14 pound one) was massively underweighted for what the bearing was designed to cope with. The 750 was designed for its 7 pound platter. GT 2000 designed for 40 pound platter. GT 2000 was designed for outboard power supply, the one mentioned in the link that davidro posted. The designer in that link discusses the braking function that he designed. That braking function is only available to the GT 2000 when it is utilising the outboard power supply. The power supply also boosts the sound quality of the GT 2000. The boost to the sound quality is the number one reason why any GT 2000 owner should move heaven and earth to get the optional power supply. That option is unavailable to the 750, because the 750 was not designed to utilise it at all. No boost means 750 does not equal 2000.

The stock 2000 was like a supercar which was intended to be further enhanced with performance enhancing add ons that could be purchased from the factory at a later date. The 750 was like a very good car that could be further enhanced with better seats and a better sound system. The turntable that built the GT legend was the 2000 ( the even better 2000x came a few years later). The GT 750 was built down to a price to tag along on its big brother's coattails. The 750 inherited the GT name but none of the performance enhancements. The motor was a shadow of the 2000. The platter was not anywhere like as well made. The bearing wasn't designed to support a 40 pound platter.

Unlike the Technics 1200 models, one is unlikely to find any concerning bearing wear in a 2000, because 99% of them were bought with the 14 pound platter on a bearing designed to carry a 40 pound platter. That means that the bearing, and motor were massively understressed. This diminishes the requirement for servicing.

Where you see the figures quoted for the moment of inertia at 1.2 tonnes per centimeter squared, that is with the 14 pound stock platter. It is a shame that they never quoted that measurement with the 40 pound platter. Since the motor was designed for it, the figure must have been phenomenal.

All in all the GT 2000 is a stone cold bargain at the prices it sells for in Japan ( between $900US to about $1400US). If anybody doubts that the 40 pound gunmetal platter has any effect upon the performance/sound quality of the turntable, they should reflect upon the fact that the gunmetal platter alone without the rest of the turntable usually commands prices of $2500US or higher in Japan. If it gave little or no improvement to the performance, why does it fetch more than twice the price of the turntable itself? Surely 30 years after the turntable was introduced there would be plenty of evidence that the gunmetal platter was not worth buying, or offered little in the way of improvement? The opposite would appear to be happening. It would seem that the improvement offered by the 40 pound gunmetal platter was worth having even if one had to pay a fortune for it. The platter usually lists for about an hour before it is bought at those prices. Such is the insatiable demand for it in Japan.

This is why the GT 2000 is held in such high regard in Japan. As stock it is extraordinary. With the added enhancements it must be amazing. Both myself and Arkay have a version of the outboard power supply. Without using it one would wonder why there was any necessity for it. There is nothing to criticize about the sound. After connecting the power supply, you KNOW that it will never be unconnected again. Aspects of the 2000's sound that you would never imagine would benefit, take a leap beyond the already unimpeachable quality of the stock turntable's massive virtues.

Can you see now why this turntable was a huge success on the Japanese market? Even those who bought the stock TT would have been hearing the buzz from guys who had then bought the power supply, the gunmetal platter and probably the cradle, and would have been swayed by the reports of crazy good performance from the improvements. I have spent lots of dough isolating my 2000 on 14 Clearaudio Magix mag-lev footers and I can vouch that its performance jumps when the plinth is given first class isolation. How much more must be in store with the gunmetal platter? I live with one and use just one of its add on features. I have no desire to try any other turntable.

I would like to experiment with replinthing the motor, this would facilitate utilising other length arms and I feel further improve the sound quality. I will eventually buy another GT 2000 in order to do this.

The value of the GT 2000 primarily lies in its motor, the ability to boost the performance with the 40 pound platter plus the electronics which enable it to use the outboard power supply. There are many ways that it can be isolated (to extremely good effect), so I don't regard the ultra rare cradle to be a necessity.

I was looking on the k-nisi site, and it says that the weight of the stock GT 2000 with the cradle was 60Kg. That is 132 pounds. If you add the gunmetal platter you can make that 158 pounds. Let's see you lift that!!
 
theophile,

Thanks for taking the time to post these informative tidbits about the Yamaha GT2000.

Much appreciated! :thmbsp: :music:
 
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