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Yamaha GT = Gigantic and Tremendous!
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Hey Theophile,
I am looking for as much input as I can possible get in regards to the GT’s and in particular the GT750.
In my younger days I spent $1000nds on upgrading equipment as a result of always searching for better specs and better sounds and not being as informed as I should have been nor avaer being able to afford the equipment that would anchor me down from this hunger to keep upgrading, I am happy to say that I have reached a time in my life that in regards to the listening of music and in particular the listening again of resurrected aged vinyls; I just want to feel that the equipment that I am using is good and that the need to be looking for better is not necessary.
I have read with great interest your very detailed post on the GT’S and will be replying to the post.
I have copied parts of it to included in my reply so when I paste your comments in, it is only in the hope that I can learn more about the GT750 and get candid answers that gain me a greater clarification on aspect and features of the GT750 TT
I ask; where are you sourcing all the info pertaining to the GT's?
In an earlier reply to my post you suggested that no more than about 20 units found their way into the USA. To purchase a standard GT750 or standard GT2000 from Japan what kind of money is involved? You alluded to its weight factor as a standard unit and then again as one that is configured for maximum performance; Theopile, in regards to shipping one to the USA, what type of cost is being asked for general shipping charges, insurances and customs’ clearing; what is an indicative cost to land the unit in America?
I can be pretty sure there would be less than 3 of the GT’s in Australia and as you are aware I have one of them. One became available here in Australia on EBay. I took very much on board what the seller said about it along with all the reviews and the overall hype about the GT’S offered additional confidence in it. He offered a full money back refund if it wasn’t what he said it was. He said that he had used it minus the antiskate that was missing and that the tonearm was so good and true that he hadn’t noticed any downside to tracking as a result of it not being there; I just went for it.
The fact that it had neither instructions nor any antiskate equipment didn’t deter me. Well I’m glad I took it, it was everything he said it was and it is a great TT; perhaps the best that I will have with the exception of a GT2000 upgrade (i wish); especially at my years now. So that’s is why I am so keen to know much more about it from any source I can and especially from anyone like you that is so knowledgeable about it and from anyone that is using one and understands it’s features better than I do.
You say: <There are basically no aftermarket modifications; because they were built way beyond common expectations from the blueprint stage. Are you say that about the GT2000 only? I’d like you thoughts on how you think the GT750 stack up it is after all the baby bro of the 2000. Many of the reviews I read on the GT750 made references to the GT2000 as being a better machine but also claimed that the 750 is considered by many to be still a better TT than many of the so called high class TT’s that are on the market; they said they wished they had one
You say: <Let's not fall into the trap of thinking that the 750 = 2000 models either. The 750 was what it was. The only options that could be used with it were the arm lifter, the record weights, the vacuum platter and the like>.
Would you be kind enough to expound on what you are actually referring to when you talk about these particular optional features of the GT750
You say: < 750 was designed for its 7 pound platter.> its is taken that the GT2000 is capable of accepting the 40lb platter and considering that most purchases would probably be made as a standard package as a result of the higher price for the 40lb’er;the GT2000 would be over specs when using the 20lb platter.
You further say: <The stock 2000 was like a supercar which was intended to be further enhanced with performance enhancing add ons that could be purchased from the factory at a later date. The 750 was like a very good car that could be further enhanced with better seats and a better sound system. The turntable that built the GT legend was the 2000 ( the even better 2000x came a few years later). The GT 750 was built down to a price to tag along on its big brother's coattails. The 750 inherited the GT name but none of the performance enhancements. The motor was a shadow of the 2000. The platter was not anywhere like as well made. The bearing wasn't designed to support a 40 pound platter. > But, as you rightfully point out, the Japanese wouldn’t let the gt750 impact on sales because of any poor manufacture of that smaller TT; the manufacturing specs of the GT750 would be also of a high standard and its performance would have to be very good likewise its and durability – true?
Can you direct me to websites in Japan that are in English and where I can visit and find spares and specifications for the GT750?.
General questions:
1) The tonearm on the GT2000, is it identical to that of the GT750? If so, is it recognised as a low mass or a High mass arm?
2) Do you know what the raw weight of the original head shell including the connecting wires is please? I am using a Shure M91ED in the original head shell.
3) Are the specifications of the M91ED and the cartridge suitable for the arm?
4) My Amp is the Yamaha RV-X800 sadly it has no provision for MC phone input; so I can't use a MC cart.
5) My speakers are minimal but sound good, Polk Audio Ti38 books
6) Subwoofer is MK V100 sufficient for the room size it’s in
At the beginning I have reached a stage in life where i just want to listen to good sound from my system and that I didn’t want to resurrect my hunger for upgrading equipment; but I do want to hear constructive comments about affordable improvements where it can be had to the system I have
I am looking for as much input as I can possible get in regards to the GT’s and in particular the GT750.
In my younger days I spent $1000nds on upgrading equipment as a result of always searching for better specs and better sounds and not being as informed as I should have been nor avaer being able to afford the equipment that would anchor me down from this hunger to keep upgrading, I am happy to say that I have reached a time in my life that in regards to the listening of music and in particular the listening again of resurrected aged vinyls; I just want to feel that the equipment that I am using is good and that the need to be looking for better is not necessary.
I have read with great interest your very detailed post on the GT’S and will be replying to the post.
I have copied parts of it to included in my reply so when I paste your comments in, it is only in the hope that I can learn more about the GT750 and get candid answers that gain me a greater clarification on aspect and features of the GT750 TT
I ask; where are you sourcing all the info pertaining to the GT's?
In an earlier reply to my post you suggested that no more than about 20 units found their way into the USA. To purchase a standard GT750 or standard GT2000 from Japan what kind of money is involved? You alluded to its weight factor as a standard unit and then again as one that is configured for maximum performance; Theopile, in regards to shipping one to the USA, what type of cost is being asked for general shipping charges, insurances and customs’ clearing; what is an indicative cost to land the unit in America?
I can be pretty sure there would be less than 3 of the GT’s in Australia and as you are aware I have one of them. One became available here in Australia on EBay. I took very much on board what the seller said about it along with all the reviews and the overall hype about the GT’S offered additional confidence in it. He offered a full money back refund if it wasn’t what he said it was. He said that he had used it minus the antiskate that was missing and that the tonearm was so good and true that he hadn’t noticed any downside to tracking as a result of it not being there; I just went for it.
The fact that it had neither instructions nor any antiskate equipment didn’t deter me. Well I’m glad I took it, it was everything he said it was and it is a great TT; perhaps the best that I will have with the exception of a GT2000 upgrade (i wish); especially at my years now. So that’s is why I am so keen to know much more about it from any source I can and especially from anyone like you that is so knowledgeable about it and from anyone that is using one and understands it’s features better than I do.
You say: <There are basically no aftermarket modifications; because they were built way beyond common expectations from the blueprint stage. Are you say that about the GT2000 only? I’d like you thoughts on how you think the GT750 stack up it is after all the baby bro of the 2000. Many of the reviews I read on the GT750 made references to the GT2000 as being a better machine but also claimed that the 750 is considered by many to be still a better TT than many of the so called high class TT’s that are on the market; they said they wished they had one
You say: <Let's not fall into the trap of thinking that the 750 = 2000 models either. The 750 was what it was. The only options that could be used with it were the arm lifter, the record weights, the vacuum platter and the like>.
Would you be kind enough to expound on what you are actually referring to when you talk about these particular optional features of the GT750
You say: < 750 was designed for its 7 pound platter.> its is taken that the GT2000 is capable of accepting the 40lb platter and considering that most purchases would probably be made as a standard package as a result of the higher price for the 40lb’er;the GT2000 would be over specs when using the 20lb platter.
You further say: <The stock 2000 was like a supercar which was intended to be further enhanced with performance enhancing add ons that could be purchased from the factory at a later date. The 750 was like a very good car that could be further enhanced with better seats and a better sound system. The turntable that built the GT legend was the 2000 ( the even better 2000x came a few years later). The GT 750 was built down to a price to tag along on its big brother's coattails. The 750 inherited the GT name but none of the performance enhancements. The motor was a shadow of the 2000. The platter was not anywhere like as well made. The bearing wasn't designed to support a 40 pound platter. > But, as you rightfully point out, the Japanese wouldn’t let the gt750 impact on sales because of any poor manufacture of that smaller TT; the manufacturing specs of the GT750 would be also of a high standard and its performance would have to be very good likewise its and durability – true?
Can you direct me to websites in Japan that are in English and where I can visit and find spares and specifications for the GT750?.
General questions:
1) The tonearm on the GT2000, is it identical to that of the GT750? If so, is it recognised as a low mass or a High mass arm?
2) Do you know what the raw weight of the original head shell including the connecting wires is please? I am using a Shure M91ED in the original head shell.
3) Are the specifications of the M91ED and the cartridge suitable for the arm?
4) My Amp is the Yamaha RV-X800 sadly it has no provision for MC phone input; so I can't use a MC cart.
5) My speakers are minimal but sound good, Polk Audio Ti38 books
6) Subwoofer is MK V100 sufficient for the room size it’s in
At the beginning I have reached a stage in life where i just want to listen to good sound from my system and that I didn’t want to resurrect my hunger for upgrading equipment; but I do want to hear constructive comments about affordable improvements where it can be had to the system I have
The only place that I can get information about the GT range is on the internet.
For information about GT prices, you need to search Japanese websites.
Since I don't live in the US, how could I possibly know the price of shipping a GT there? Since you indicate that you are posting questions from Brisbane Australia, why do you require shipping prices to the US?
By the term "no aftermarket modifications" I meant unlike the Technics which has amongst other things; The KAB mods: The Mike New mods; The Timestep power supply; The Funk Firm mods and many others. The GTs have factory optional extras but other than a few home-made out board power supplies for the GT 2000 range and the rare stainless steel platters, there doesn't exist a raft of upgrade industries that survive by fixing 'problems' endemic to the stock deck. The industries that modify the Technics SL 1200 variants exist because, by testimonials of purchasers of these mods that I have seen, the mods are required to fix flaws in the stock decks. The GTs don't require 'fixes' because there weren't shortcuts made at the design stage.
I thought that I went to great length to detail my thoughts about the relative merits of the 750 vs the 2000 range in the previous post. Please don't ask me to relate that which I have already gone into at length.
Kindly also do not put words into my mouth. Nowhere do I say that the 750 was "poor" or poorly made. Despite saying that, it is no 2000. IN comparison to the GT 2000 the motor of the 750 is of lesser quality, the platter is less rigorously made and not as heavy, the bearing was not made to deal with the same load. Why are you asking me to repeat what I have already stated? Either read my posts closely or don't ask me to re-relate what I have already stated and don't ascribe words to me that I have never used.
If you want to find websites from Japan in English about the GT 2000, there is some information at the AudioKarma GT 2000 Group. Otherwise you will have to search for yourself. I have enough to do at the moment, without being someone else's search engine. It is good for you to find information for yourself.
1) I'm not certain about the relative merits of the 750 arm and the 2000 arm.
2) You say that you have the original headshell, then you ask me what the weight of it is. Weigh your headshell. Then you will have the answer to your own question.
3) I don't know.
4)This is not a question.
5) Neither is this a question.
6) Not a question.
Audio is a journey that is taken for oneself. You acquire your experience first-hand. I have never been an adviser to others about how to improve their systems. I don't intend to begin that process. Seek and ye shall find. Google is your friend, however there is no greater teacher than experience.
Go back and read my previous post. I am not going into any greater detail about the relative merits of the 750 vs the 2000. The 750 is not the equal of the 2000 on any level, and especially because it was never designed to the level where it can utilise the most sonically relevant of the optional Yamaha improvements. The 750 might be a well designed turntable. It is NOT a GT 2000. For the difference in price between the 750 and the GT 2000 on the Japanese market (ie less than $1000), it strikes me as an extremely inept choice to purchase a 750. Especially considering that the small difference in price between the second hand GT 750 and the second hand GT 2000, buys a huge difference in quality and future upgrade ability. If the difference in price between the two turntables on the second-hand market was $10,000, then I could understand a purchaser's reluctance to save up and wait to buy a GT 2000. However when the difference in price is so relatively affordable, given that the cost of shipping either of them from Japan requires some commitment on the buyer's part, why buy the 750 at all?
For information about GT prices, you need to search Japanese websites.
Since I don't live in the US, how could I possibly know the price of shipping a GT there? Since you indicate that you are posting questions from Brisbane Australia, why do you require shipping prices to the US?
By the term "no aftermarket modifications" I meant unlike the Technics which has amongst other things; The KAB mods: The Mike New mods; The Timestep power supply; The Funk Firm mods and many others. The GTs have factory optional extras but other than a few home-made out board power supplies for the GT 2000 range and the rare stainless steel platters, there doesn't exist a raft of upgrade industries that survive by fixing 'problems' endemic to the stock deck. The industries that modify the Technics SL 1200 variants exist because, by testimonials of purchasers of these mods that I have seen, the mods are required to fix flaws in the stock decks. The GTs don't require 'fixes' because there weren't shortcuts made at the design stage.
I thought that I went to great length to detail my thoughts about the relative merits of the 750 vs the 2000 range in the previous post. Please don't ask me to relate that which I have already gone into at length.
Kindly also do not put words into my mouth. Nowhere do I say that the 750 was "poor" or poorly made. Despite saying that, it is no 2000. IN comparison to the GT 2000 the motor of the 750 is of lesser quality, the platter is less rigorously made and not as heavy, the bearing was not made to deal with the same load. Why are you asking me to repeat what I have already stated? Either read my posts closely or don't ask me to re-relate what I have already stated and don't ascribe words to me that I have never used.
If you want to find websites from Japan in English about the GT 2000, there is some information at the AudioKarma GT 2000 Group. Otherwise you will have to search for yourself. I have enough to do at the moment, without being someone else's search engine. It is good for you to find information for yourself.
1) I'm not certain about the relative merits of the 750 arm and the 2000 arm.
2) You say that you have the original headshell, then you ask me what the weight of it is. Weigh your headshell. Then you will have the answer to your own question.
3) I don't know.
4)This is not a question.
5) Neither is this a question.
6) Not a question.
Audio is a journey that is taken for oneself. You acquire your experience first-hand. I have never been an adviser to others about how to improve their systems. I don't intend to begin that process. Seek and ye shall find. Google is your friend, however there is no greater teacher than experience.
Go back and read my previous post. I am not going into any greater detail about the relative merits of the 750 vs the 2000. The 750 is not the equal of the 2000 on any level, and especially because it was never designed to the level where it can utilise the most sonically relevant of the optional Yamaha improvements. The 750 might be a well designed turntable. It is NOT a GT 2000. For the difference in price between the 750 and the GT 2000 on the Japanese market (ie less than $1000), it strikes me as an extremely inept choice to purchase a 750. Especially considering that the small difference in price between the second hand GT 750 and the second hand GT 2000, buys a huge difference in quality and future upgrade ability. If the difference in price between the two turntables on the second-hand market was $10,000, then I could understand a purchaser's reluctance to save up and wait to buy a GT 2000. However when the difference in price is so relatively affordable, given that the cost of shipping either of them from Japan requires some commitment on the buyer's part, why buy the 750 at all?
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Arkay's post previously in this thread, was very informative regarding the GT 750:
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=332926
It should be required reading for anyone who is weighing up the relative merits of the GT750 vs the GT2000s. :yes:
Given his insights, plus everything I have stated about the inherent quality of the GT 2000 vs the relatively compromised nature of the GT750, the sonic desirability of all of the greater options for the GT 2000 which the GT 750 was totally unable to utilise, plus the fact that the difference in price between the GT 2000 and the GT 750 on the Japanese second-hand market amounts to the sum of some hundreds of dollars: Why would anyone in their right mind buy the 750?
That question has to be asked.
Even the GT 1000 cannot utilise the best options of the GT range. Truly, if you are considering a purchase of one of Yamaha's 'Gigantic and Tremendous' Range, forget the lower models of the range completely. Save up a few more hundred dollars. This range in particular is one where penny pinching at the purchase stage, really means that one has cheated oneself out of buying true quality at a bargain price, for the sake of saving a small sum indeed.
Not a wise move at all.
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=332926
It should be required reading for anyone who is weighing up the relative merits of the GT750 vs the GT2000s. :yes:
Given his insights, plus everything I have stated about the inherent quality of the GT 2000 vs the relatively compromised nature of the GT750, the sonic desirability of all of the greater options for the GT 2000 which the GT 750 was totally unable to utilise, plus the fact that the difference in price between the GT 2000 and the GT 750 on the Japanese second-hand market amounts to the sum of some hundreds of dollars: Why would anyone in their right mind buy the 750?
That question has to be asked.
Even the GT 1000 cannot utilise the best options of the GT range. Truly, if you are considering a purchase of one of Yamaha's 'Gigantic and Tremendous' Range, forget the lower models of the range completely. Save up a few more hundred dollars. This range in particular is one where penny pinching at the purchase stage, really means that one has cheated oneself out of buying true quality at a bargain price, for the sake of saving a small sum indeed.
Not a wise move at all.
Agreed. However unless you live in Japan, one is more likely to find hen's teeth or rocking horse droppings.
If one is going to the trouble of purchasing a GT series turntable from Japan, for a few hundred dollars more, the 2000s are the only ones to bother with.
'Nuff said.
There is one for sell right now on the auction site its in Japan and really for how nice a turntable that this must be is not that expensive compared to many turntables that I see. It is a GT 2000 L, not sure what the L model stands for, but it is a wood grain model. None of the optional stuff, but it kind of ironic that many of the items we buy here in the states are shipped from China like big screen TV's and stuff and you wonder how they ship all that here so cheap, but try and purchase items from overseas and the cost of shipping one turntable is quite expensive. I have a Yamaha PX2 and I thought that is a heavy TT, I can only imagine a GT 2000 with all the options, you better have a very good stand!
If one goes to Japans eBay site the google translator works pretty good, you can see all the cool stuff they have for sale there. I have a link on my favorites which is a audio shop in Japan, and they sure have some nice goods for sale!
Theophile I bet that GT2000 sounds really good with all the nice gear you have behind it.
If one goes to Japans eBay site the google translator works pretty good, you can see all the cool stuff they have for sale there. I have a link on my favorites which is a audio shop in Japan, and they sure have some nice goods for sale!
Theophile I bet that GT2000 sounds really good with all the nice gear you have behind it.
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Ken,
The GT 2000 is such a screaming bargain in Japan purely due to the fact that so many thousands of them were sold. They are not rare. Hence, market saturation means low second-hand prices.
That's why it doesn't cost much more than the 750. The 750 didn't really sell that well. The true value of the 2000 variants are initially the fantastic engineering of the motor, speed control electronics, platter, the mass of the plinth. However the subsequent value of the 2000s as opposed to the 750 and the 1000 are that they can take advantage of the gunmetal platter and the optional power supply. The motor of the GT 2000 and its necessarily robust bearing, enables the heavy, heavy 40 lb platter to be utilised. Without the heavy gunmetal platter the motor is massively overspecified for the extremely well crafted vacuum forged and machined 14 lb aluminium platter. Thus bearing wear(and consequently wear generated noise in the bearing) is largely absent.
I haven't really discussed the GT 2000x.
The GT2000x is exactly identical to the GT 2000 variants (the GT 2000 and GT 2000L) except for a Walnut veneer and a gloss finish, a slightly thicker plinth and especially the 2000x motor. The GT 2000 sells in Japan for just under $1000 to about $1,300 or thereabouts. As I said previously, that is due to market saturation. It is the highest selling Premium Direct Drive of all time, and ironically completely unknown outside of Japan. The GT 2000x however is less well represented on the second-hand market and sells for around $4000US. That's right. It costs 3 to 4 times the cost of a GT 2000. Now either that has to do with the rarity of the GT 2000x vs the ever availability of the GT 2000 variants, or the GT 2000x is simply that much better than the GT 2000. I think that it is a combination of the two factors. Though I do think that if the GT 2000x sold in the same numbers as the GT 2000 variants, it would be much less expensive on the second-hand market. The GT 2000x's main claim to fame is not its slightly thicker plinth, but its uprated motor. The main thing that is mentioned about the motor is the uprated bearing. The bearing spindle in the GT 2000x motor, is dimensioned to be twice the diameter of the spindle in the GT 2000. I don't know enough about the 2000x's motor to say that it is more powerful than the 2000 variants, but it is more robust. By all accounts, if there is a Yamaha GT Series turntable to aspire to, it is the GT 2000x. The downside is that the aspiring GT 2000x owner will have to wait until one comes onto the second-hand market ( by my estimation one sees about 6 for sale per year in Japan. In total). the other downside is the requirement for deep pockets since they start at $4000US and sometime are priced up to $6000US.
The difference between the GT 2000 and the GT 2000L is extremely minimal and not performance related. Only cosmetic and convenience is involved. The GT 2000 has a veneer of Black Ash and NO electronic arm lifter. The GT 2000L has a Walnut veneer and the electronic arm lifter. That is the only difference between the two models, and when you consider that the electronic arm lifter can be fitted to the Black Ash veneered GT 2000 anyway, the only cachet of owning the GT 2000L is the Walnut veneer.
There is one GT2000x owner on AK called 'imfree'. He has a Yamaha collection only rivaled by AKer Mark.B.
The GT 2000 is the 'value sweetspot' of the GT 2000 variants (including the 2000x in that that term). Loading the GT 2000s with the options is where it starts getting really expensive. The gunmetal platter is $2500US minimum. The Yamaha YOP-1 optional power supply usually goes for around $500US. I've never seen the cradle for sale, ever. I'd imagine that due to its rarity, one would be paying over $2000, and possibly substantially more than that. In summation one would be lucky to see a fully loaded GT 2000x with all of the optional extras(including gunmetal platter) for sale at less than $9000US. It would weigh around 170 pounds. Shipping would be a cost and strategic nightmare because the turntable body, platter, cradle and power supply would all need to be separately boxed. So expect to the US for shipping to add say $2500. You'd need to be highly motivated, but despite having been designed in 1985, the combination of the sum of all the 2000x and the ultra heavy platter, suspension cradle and power supply would probably wipe the floor with all but the most expensive of today's turntables.
Greetings gentlemen, what an interesting thread you have here!
Luckily, I happen to live in Japan and I am just finishing my first stereo set-up (been waiting for ages!): got myself a pair of NS-1000M speakers, a C-4/B-4 combo and just paid for the CDX-2000 player, everything being old Yammy, as you see (I had a predisposition for vintage Yamaha gear having listened to several units years ago and compared to contemporary stuff).
Now, I do want to get a TT which will also be my first one. The local auctions are just FULL of GT-2000 units, but I will deliberately not go for one at the moment because I just think it is too good for the first one, not to mention the feeling that a TT that costs as much as the rest of the set-up is just wrong
However, there are also several GT-750 units on sell at reasonable prices. In fact, the two options I am currently considering are the GT-750 and YP-D9. This thread is certainly very informative regarding GT-750, as well as the referenced thread by Arkay about its guts; but I have not been able to find much about YP-D9. From other sources (such as TVK and audio-heritage (+ google translate, of course)) I got an impression that YP-D9 is almost the same as YP-D10 (only lacking some "silent ending" mechanism (?) and 2 pitch controllers), while YP-D10 is a bigger version of YP-D8 that seems to be owned and praised by many AK'ers. So I feel pretty confident YP-D9 will not be a bad choice, but still: how would you compare the two models GT-750 and YP-D9?
Thank you!
Luckily, I happen to live in Japan and I am just finishing my first stereo set-up (been waiting for ages!): got myself a pair of NS-1000M speakers, a C-4/B-4 combo and just paid for the CDX-2000 player, everything being old Yammy, as you see (I had a predisposition for vintage Yamaha gear having listened to several units years ago and compared to contemporary stuff).
Now, I do want to get a TT which will also be my first one. The local auctions are just FULL of GT-2000 units, but I will deliberately not go for one at the moment because I just think it is too good for the first one, not to mention the feeling that a TT that costs as much as the rest of the set-up is just wrong
However, there are also several GT-750 units on sell at reasonable prices. In fact, the two options I am currently considering are the GT-750 and YP-D9. This thread is certainly very informative regarding GT-750, as well as the referenced thread by Arkay about its guts; but I have not been able to find much about YP-D9. From other sources (such as TVK and audio-heritage (+ google translate, of course)) I got an impression that YP-D9 is almost the same as YP-D10 (only lacking some "silent ending" mechanism (?) and 2 pitch controllers), while YP-D10 is a bigger version of YP-D8 that seems to be owned and praised by many AK'ers. So I feel pretty confident YP-D9 will not be a bad choice, but still: how would you compare the two models GT-750 and YP-D9?
Thank you!
The Vintage knob shows the GT2000 and the individual options that were available.
http://www.thevintageknob.org/yamaha-GT-2000.html
There was a GT2000L on that auction site recently for $2200 located in Japan.
http://www.thevintageknob.org/yamaha-GT-2000.html
There was a GT2000L on that auction site recently for $2200 located in Japan.
That price is not necessarily representative of what the product can be found for in Japan:
http://translate.googleusercontent....701274&usg=ALkJrhg7hG2p6RgBuf4ategmGi66JhLyhQ
http://translate.googleusercontent....214213&usg=ALkJrhgezV57TGf6xLK9IDbBnUSRLjuRuw
To be fair both of the examples of GT 2000 auctions that I posted had cracking in the lids (one repaired). This will lower the price.
The point being that they can be bought in Japan for a relatively bargain price.
If I was Zer0, I'd skip the 750 and YP-D9 and go straight for the GT 2000. The difference in sound that an excellent turntable makes over a very good one, has to be understood to lift the performance of the entire system. The NS-1000s are good enough to benefit from the performance boost.
Ken Wood Jr.
New Member
Theo, I have to tell you that I absolutely love your enthusiasm and knowledge for this turntable. I love the great vintage Japanese direct drives, and I am about to become a GT-2000 owner. It will sit alongside a Luxman PD-444 and a Sony PS-8750 in my set-up. I have found two people on line that have the enthusiasm and knowledge for the PD-444 and PS-8750 as you do for the Yamaha GT-2000.
It seems as though the external power supply was meant for the heavy platter option, based on the braking improvements and what seems to be the increased need for control over an incredibly heavy platter that can run away with itself if not for the external power supply.
My immediate concern regarding the acquisition of the GT-2000 is the arms ability to handle the heavier, non-spu cartridges that are out there. I would think there would be counterweight options for the arm but have not read anything about the GT-2000 shipping with multiple weights.
It seems as though the external power supply was meant for the heavy platter option, based on the braking improvements and what seems to be the increased need for control over an incredibly heavy platter that can run away with itself if not for the external power supply.
My immediate concern regarding the acquisition of the GT-2000 is the arms ability to handle the heavier, non-spu cartridges that are out there. I would think there would be counterweight options for the arm but have not read anything about the GT-2000 shipping with multiple weights.
Don't fall into the trap of thinking that the following page is about the GT 2000:
http://www.cintelcorp.net/yamaha-gt-2000-manual
The product pictured is the Yamaha MCR 140.
http://www.cintelcorp.net/yamaha-gt-2000-manual
The product pictured is the Yamaha MCR 140.
davidro
Lunatic Member
Typical issues with the GT tables seemingly include the chrome plague on their arm and poor isolation.
I don't know why it was so difficult for Yamaha to implement better feet. I'd love to hear what a GT2000 would sound like with the optional isolation tray, but is it even available at all?
The arm also isn't the best in the market, although the optional upgrade arm is available, sometimes for good money.
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I don't know why it was so difficult for Yamaha to implement better feet. I'd love to hear what a GT2000 would sound like with the optional isolation tray, but is it even available at all?
The arm also isn't the best in the market, although the optional upgrade arm is available, sometimes for good money.
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Even before the isolation issues are addressed the GT 2000's arm sounds just fine. Once the isolation issues are addressed the sound is simply incredible. The arm is more than good enough.
davidro
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The arm is more than good enough yes. Way better than other favourites like SL1200s.
But a close friend of mine, for example, who has had 2000L & 2000X ended up preferring his other table featuring classic Ortofon arms and Regas. He was of opinion that the GT arms just didn't cut it. The table itself is great, no doubt.
Perhaps one is asking too much from a table where the build quality of the table sans the arm alone exceeds the value of the coin dropped therein for purchase.
The isolation is problematic if you like your music quite loud....
I'd say that any turntable which the build quality exceeds the value of the coin dropped is a great buy.
The 2000 arm sounds amazing once the turntable is isolated correctly. It could be bettered but it is not the turntable's weakest link. Of course, if one has never isolated their GT 2000 correctly, one would not be aware of that.