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2017 Sansui Serial Number Database

BA-100,831060407,internet
B-2105 MOS Vintage,607013738,internet
B-2105 MOS Vintage,607013765,internet

now... the databases lists both the "B-2105 MOS" and "B-2105 MOS Vintage"
In fact, they are the same model.
The thing is that "Vintage" is printed only on the faceplate, while the model number on the back only states "B-2105"
Example here

How would you prefer to call it?

It also applies to the B-2103 model.
 
Good question. We currently have three B-2105 amps in the database. Two with no Vintage and one with Vintage. I did an internet search and turned up a couple more examples. All had the Vintage tag on the model name. Since I couldn't find any without Vintage, we will consolidate them together with the Vintage name. You will see that change in the December report.
There is also some confusion about the B-2105 production dates. All the serial number observed indicate a production between 1996 and 1998. That conflicts with the production information posted in the Audio Database website. It states the B-2105 MOS Vintage was introduced in 1999. If that's the case than the units on file were produced between 2006 and 2008. Since that's very unlikely, I'll list the dates between 1996 and 1998.

The two B-2103 amps on file are listed with the Vintage tag. Looking at the model name on the back panel on the 2105 and 2103, there is some kanji script after the numeric designation. It's possible that translates to "Vintage."

As always, thanks for you help and suggestions.

- Pete
 
Hi Pete, a few more, some mine some not. Is there a protocol for listing internet finds? From a pure dBase listing it should be of no consequence as to where the box is and having the AK User is a means of follow up in case of a "clash" and a need to verify the Serial?

AX-7,217080765,Reidy12
AX-7,217110358,Reidy12
AX-7,238030161,Reidy12
AX-7,917122455,Reidy12
Germany eBay
AX-7,218020317,Reidy12
US eBay
AX-7,310100091,Reidy12
MA-7,238070104,Reidy12
Aleado Japan
TU-7700,214060215,Reidy12
TU-1500,847021300,Reidy12
TU-207ii,849020542,Reidy12
TU-5500,815061361,Reidy12
TU-999,233019090,Reidy12

Kind Regards, Bruce.
 
Hi Pete, I noticed the database has issues with the GX-150 rack mount cabinets. I have 3 of these, 2 have the rear panel with the 6 digit serial number. They both start with 78 which would align correctly with 1978 and the associated AU/TU-x17 and xx-7 range. Interestingly I have the same cabinet serial as a current eBay listing that has been there for ages (scam!) for complete rack system. I made an offer for the cabinet only months ago but no reply, then amazingly found one locally (only 650 klms away). Maybe his photos were scrapped from somewhere that just happened to be from my cabinets previous owner.!
GX-150SerNos.jpg eBayGX-150Ser.JPG
 
For the dBase, maybe the breakdown is different and digits 4 & 5 are the Month: July, November, June respectively or just the year as it's only a rack??

GX-150,780071,Reidy12
GX-150,780112,Reidy12
GX-505,793061,Reidy12

Cheers, Bruce.
 
Hi Pete, a few more, some mine some not. Is there a protocol for listing internet finds? From a pure dBase listing it should be of no consequence as to where the box is and having the AK User is a means of follow up in case of a "clash" and a need to verify the Serial?
Since it's inception circa 2003, the database has compiled valid Sansui serial numbers from any source. I've recorded them from labels on original shipping boxes and warranty card. As long as it's a genuine serial number from a production unit we want it in the database.

In the early days, there were several AK members that compiled serial numbers from primarily US based internet sources (eBay). Adding member names to the data line came later. It's sole purpose is to have a reference if there is a discrepancy with the serial number. Occasionally an newly posted serial number conflicts with an existing serial number.

When I revived the database in 2017, I changed the field name to "Reporter" since members like yourself don't necessarily own the unit that they are posting. Historically internet sources were listed simply as Internet. Recently, when I find serial numbers on the internet, I will list well known sources like eBay or HiFi Do but not typically the Japanese auction sites.

Each line of data also has a "Notes" field that can be used to record a source. The side comments you posted with some of your most recent serial numbers I've recorded in the notes field. In the reporting format, the notes field follows reporter separated with a comma - Model,Serial Number,Reporter,Notes. The primary purpose of the notes field is to track production changes by identifying which version is associated with a particular serial number. I also use it to indicate a Japanese domestic model (JDM) if the model name is used worldwide.

So to answer your question about protocol, please identify the actual source if it's convenient. If you like, list your member name as the reporter and the internet source in the notes field.

Hi Pete, I noticed the database has issues with the GX-150 rack mount cabinets. I have 3 of these, 2 have the rear panel with the 6 digit serial number. They both start with 78 which would align correctly with 1978 and the associated AU/TU-x17 and xx-7 range. Interestingly I have the same cabinet serial as a current eBay listing that has been there for ages (scam!) for complete rack system. I made an offer for the cabinet only months ago but no reply, then amazingly found one locally (only 650 klms away). Maybe his photos were scrapped from somewhere that just happened to be from my cabinets previous owner.!
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650Km is not exactly "local." You must have really wanted that rack.

For the dBase, maybe the breakdown is different and digits 4 & 5 are the Month: July, November, June respectively or just the year as it's only a rack??
That doesn't account for production volume, how many were made. Serial numbers typically have a sequential number to indicate production. I haven't seen any "official" explanation of a 6 digit serial number like these. Since we can only guess at how to decode these oddball serial numbers, I indicate "Invalid Date Code" for the production date.

It's likely these racks were made by a contractor and not in an actual Sansui factory. They are certainly valid serial numbers but clearly don't follow the standard Sansui format. I absolutely still want them, but they have to be added manually. The macro that assigns the production date is designed to reject anything other than an 8 or 9 digit serial number. It also looks at the month designation and will reject anything other than a 0 or 1 for the 3rd or 4th digit respectively in 8 or 9 digit serial numbers.

I really value this type of feedback and truly appreciate your enthusiasm for the database.

- Pete
 
Pete, I can really feel the passion you have for the database and very happy to contribute. Being aware of the additional information you can include is great and I will use from now....It’s a great resource that I used to compile a DOM list for all my Sansui gear and love to see my numbers in there. As you acknowledged, others have assisted in the automation to generate the breakdown but your initiative and drive is hugely appreciated. Thank you.

Interesting about the external contract built racks, makes sense for Sansui (non electronics) and the non-standard serials. AK is such a wealth ok knowledge.

650Km is not exactly "local." You must have really wanted that rack.

Yes, I really wanted that rack. I’d been looking for ages(yrs) and hifishark found this one. It was in a system offer and after some messaging negotiation he accepted an offer for the rack only. Risk mitigation kicked in and with no real timely alternative I left work early and drove overnight and picked it up the next morning. It was missing a castor and a previous owner had engraved an ID number on the front face of the bruised aluminium decor strip!! WHY do people do that? Didn’t show in the listing photos. That rack now has my xx-7 system. MA/AX/SE-7 with AU-217\TU-317.....some lamps need replacing, a new set of heavy duty castors on and the decor strip is being re-finished. ✅ Sansui.
 
BA-1000,225100062,Oilmaster
BA-1000,225100092,Oilmaster
QS-1,211040683,internet
BA-90,510010127,internet
BA-100,223110142,internet
BA-100,823050175,internet
BA-3000,225110165,internet
BA-F1,219060033,internet
B-2302 Vintage,210010018,internet (black model)
B-2302 Vintage,210010084,internet (black model)
B-2302 Vintage,611043850,internet (champagne model)

Regarding the last listed model, I wonder if the champagne model was produced on a different assembly line for that reason?
 
and a previous owner had engraved an ID number on the front face of the bruised aluminium decor strip!! WHY do people do that? Didn’t show in the listing photos.
Some items are used in a business setting, and are the property of the business, not an individual. And as such they are sometimes engraved with their "asset number" to identify the specific "asset", and many times to (help) prevent theft by unscrupulous employees. So it would seem your rack had once been the property of a business.
 
I have a number of units that have social security numbers engraved or marked on them in some other way. It was an anti theft device. Positive identification of who that unit belonged to. Companies I've worked for use asset tags. I suppose smaller companies might need to engrave an asset number.

Thanks for the serial numbers. They will be in the December report available in early January.


- Pete
 
I totally understand the point of a reference for ID but It doesn’t need to be on the most aesthetically destructive place of the whole item - wilful damage, its a crime I reckon
 
I totally understand the point of a reference for ID but It doesn’t need to be on the most aesthetically destructive place of the whole item - wilful damage, its a crime I reckon
Well if the asset number is not staring you in the face, that would negate the "anti-theft" reasoning for putting it in a prominent location. Plus it makes it easy and less time consuming to do asset inventory. At least the one I have was engraved on the rear panel.
 
I agree putting it on the face plate is a crime. Lets not forget that back when these units were new they were quite expensive and easily resold if stolen. Putting it on the face plate would make it less desirable to a thief for two reasons, It's ugly and an obvious reminder of it's owner.

- Pete
 
771,815101135,dly66

I am working on an SX-1500TD someone engraved what I gather was their initials in the bottom left corner of the face plate. Talk about conspicuous.
 
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