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After 25+ years, feeling discouraged and thinking of giving up the chase.

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Brett (OP) should either wrap up everything and put it away in storage or even sell it and then see how he feels in 6 months or a year. If after that given time period, he doesn't miss the system, then great he's saved or even made money. If not, he can start fresh with a new perspective on audio related matters.

I couldn't put my gear away, I like music too much, I have to listen to music, I have to play (as in guitar) music......
There's music on in our house most of the time......

If I did put my gear away I would end up listening to music anyway on something else, and have done this before in fact.....
When I got divorced 7 years ago, and was staying at a friends place for 18 months (in a very small room), I had no system, I was listening on whatever I could, USB Logitech speakers, headphones, my girlfriends crappy circa 2001 all in one stereo etc etc.....I was playing my guitar acoustically (I play electric)......all my gear was in storage.

The point is, my interest in this hobby is the music, however part of it is also the gear, don't get wrong. However I still got enjoyment from the music despite what I listened to it on......
You can imagine how satisfying it was to get all my gear out of storage and into my new house.......it was audio nirvana!!
But, reading this thread reminded me of my time I had no real gear to listen to.
Hard to imagine listening to my music on USB speakers and plastic stereos, but its just a refection of how powerful my passion for music is........if I lost all my gear for whatever reason, it wouldn't stop me listening to music at all...

However, I find there is so much great gear around these days, and so much information that it is so easy to assemble an awesome sounding system, or at least this is what I have found.
I would say given the gear the OP has, if you aren't getting any pleasure out of your gear/music then you have to identify what it is.
If you think its the gear which is fatiguing and irritating to listen to, then just try to consider for a second that maybe its actually the music. You could be tired and bored with the music you are listening to?
If you are a gear listener, then you are possibly not allowing how you feel at the time dictate what music you listen to, instead you are choosing music based on what "listening pleasure" it should give you, I think that is a strange way to enjoy music, but that's just me, perhaps its different for other people, I don't know...
I choose music based "what I feel like listening to" or "what sort of mood I am in"......Music is emotion based, and I feel forcing certain music on yourself when you are not in touch with your emotions and what sort of musical mood your in, is a recipe for disaster.....
Its like when I am listening to my friends radio station, at some point a song will come on which will irritate me, so I turn it off and put my own music on, others may just listen through it....
I don't know if this make any sense or not, but it's my perspective on it........

So, maybe put the gear away and see what happens, if you eventually find yourself turning the radio up in the car, and listening to music on the headphones, iPods, cheap systems in the kitchen while you are cooking dinner, getting the urge for a musical experience rather than a system experience, then its time to get it back out again....
If not, then maybe you don't like music as much as you thought you did, and perhaps you need smaller doses than other people.....

My 2cents......
 
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I think most people on the forum understand these thoughts. It can be very frustrating to pursue "something" and then come to a stage in the pursuit where you feel let down and are questioning yourself, your gear, your motives, and the time and money invested in it.

Obviously you care about music and the equipment that allows you to experience it. So I would err on the side of caution and not do anything drastic until you have all of your feelings and emotions in place. For me this is a "hobby" about music, not gear, so I tend to never have that big sought after system that many people have and also since I'm not much of a gear hound I don't know what I'm missing. I have a system that still wows me and allows me to enjoy my record collection. Other than a backup receiver and a few pairs of speakers stashed in a closet what you see in my signature line is all I own.

Getting rid of the gear and wiping the slate clean, taking a break, might be good for the soul. You can sell it and put the money in a fund and when ready go back out and start over, maybe with a different approach. Maybe you won't start over and that's ok too. Maybe you'll find something else and that's ok too.
 
You guys need a Sansui !!!!!!!! LOL. Really! Honestly.


It would drive me NUTS to keep thinking, and KNOWING, that my stereo didn't sound right. I'd especially be very upset if it was 'new' gear or cost me a small fortune and I ended up with a rig that fatigued me or didn't sound right. I really couldn't handle that.

Chuck it all in ... and get a Sansui and enjoy music again. :)

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I honestly think it's all this digital computerized junk and hype. There is no way computerized music can ever sound normal or human, or 'life-like', or Honest, or TRUE ... it's computers, it-ain't-human. It's 1s & 0s. It's computers singing - it isn't human. I just don't understand why folks just can't seem to understand that. You will never get life-like sound out of digital. You can't squeeze orange juice out of apples. Get an amp with old proven circuit designs with company flavor, get great vintage speakers (or new I guess), get a TT and outstanding cart, and listen to analog music again. But that will never happen. It just won't. The gear isn't hot enough. It's not special enough. It's not audiophile enough. I can't gear worship it. It's vintage. It's old. ...but it sounds outstanding. But it's old...not impressive...forget it.

Question: What is it that everyone is ' trying ' to get out of their stereo system anyway???

Just seems like a lot of folks who have spent a 'real lot of money' just do not like the sound of their stereo. Like it's just not right. Something just isn't right. Well, if it's not right...it's for sure wrong. And that's not good.


Just get a Sansui / or vintage rig / and enjoy music again (but that wouldn't be any fun). That will never happen because guys just 'LOVE' their 'new' gear and 'upgrades' even if it doesn't sound good, is fatiguing, or just doesn't sound right...it doesn't matter...>>> just 'look at it!!!!!!' (I really think that's what it is - love for equipment) Get a super DAC to 'force digital to sound like analog'. I got a better idea...just listen to analog.

Upgrades...what's there to upgrade anyway, really? I never could understand that. Maybe a MC for the MM, but the MM sounds wonderful so why replace it? Get the MC next time. Cables: I have great cables. Just get the cables you desire and it's finished forever. That's it. Done deal...forever.

I'm really glad I'm not an audiophile. (except for LPs)
 
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I didn't necessarily mean stop listening to music altogether. That's asking a bit too much for any of us here. :D

What I meant was to put away the big rig and listen to music by means of a compact table radio/system, headphones, boombox, car audio, iPod, etc...

I couldn't put my gear away, I like music too much, I have to listen to music, I have to play (as in guitar) music......
There's music on in our house most of the time......
 
Brett, I've started looking at it as a journey, not a destination. It's Route 66 to California, not the interstate. Yup, you take some wrong turns along the way, but to mix my travel metaphors, getting there is half the fun.
 
You guys need a Sansui !!!!!!!! LOL. Really! Honestly.

Sansui just sounds ... R I G H T. :)

It would drive me NUTS to keep thinking, and KNOWING, that my stereo didn't sound right. I'd especially be very upset if it cost me a small fortune and ended up with a rig that fatigued me. Unreal.

Chuck it all in ... and get a Sansui and enjoy music again.

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I honestly think it's all this digital computerized junk. There is no way music could ever sound normal or human, or 'life-like ... it's computers. I just don't understand why folks can't seem to understand that. ??? You can't squeeze orange juice out of apples. Get an amp with old circuit designs, not this new fangled whatever it is.

What is it that everyone is ' trying ' to get out of their stereo system anyway???


Just get a Sansui /or vintage rig/ and enjoy music again (but that wouldn't be any fun). That will never happen because guys just 'LOVE' their 'new' gear and 'upgrades' even if it doesn't sound good, is fatiguing, or doesn't sound right...just 'look at it!!!!!!" Get a super DAC to 'force digital to sound like analog'. I got a better idea...just play analog.

Upgrades...what's there to upgrade really? I never could understand that. Maybe and MC for the MM, but the MM sounds wonderful so why replace it?

I'm really glad and thankful that I'm 'not' an audiophile (except for LPs).

There's been a few threads over the last day or so in various forums about a certain online gear/music retailer issuing their huge end of the year catalog and people just drooling over pages and pages of equipment. I used to be like that and I'm so happy that I'm not into that kind of stuff at all anymore. That catalog won't even get to the porcelain library in my house. Now, old issues of 78 Quarterly? You bet:banana:
 
In my case, I have bought numerous amount of gears in the last 10 years and i'm only 25. I went down the route of buying modern expensive equipment and for me although it was accurate and detailed it had no soul or warmth. Maybe you would be better off with a 70s refurbed amplifier and try that with your speakers.

Alternatively try and switch your room round in case its the acoustics of the room. This has happened to me recently, I've just spent £1800 on some new sofas to make them fit round my hifi as ive found a sweet spot in the room.

Also have you ever been on holiday for a few weeks and when you get back you turn on your hifi and realise just how good your system is?
 
From what I recall, Brett did the vintage audio thing already, and moved on from it. Not to speak for him, but I'd sure have a hard time going back to a vintage system from what he has.
 
Taking a long trip always makes the equipment sound better when I come back. Maybe it is time for a break.

Good luck bud.
 
I didn't necessarily mean stop listening to music altogether. That's asking a bit too much for any of us here. :D

What I meant was to put away the big rig and listen to music by means of a compact table radio/system, headphones, boombox, car audio, iPod, etc...

Yes, I think we are agreeing here, what you are saying makes a lot of sense to me....
Its a good way to find out how much you like the music in your collection....
 
Two things:

- I'd agree with the poster who suggested the Lepai T-amp. I bought one for a friend and was very surprised at the sound quality, within it's rating. It's so small as to be practically invisible and so cheap that it's practically free. You could have it in the living room and completely hide it with a small book. Mated with a nice pair of bookshelf speakers and a hidden powered sub you could have a stealth system that might be the ticket. I find it fun to explore what the MINIMUM system is that would make me happy and one of those T amps would be a candidate.

- Not sure if you're inclined to DIY, but if you are, it's a great way to have fun with audio. Stuff you build yourself always sounds great, because, after all, how critical are you going to be of your own children? :) If aesthetics are important to you, you can design pieces that are uniquely yours. Here are a couple of mine

Magnavox amp

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Lenco TT

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There's been a few threads over the last day or so in various forums about a certain online gear/music retailer issuing their huge end of the year catalog and people just drooling over pages and pages of equipment. I used to be like that and I'm so happy that I'm not into that kind of stuff at all anymore. That catalog won't even get to the porcelain library in my house. Now, old issues of 78 Quarterly? You bet:banana:

Exactly. :thmbsp:

I really enjoy looking at the old brochures and advertisements too, of all the old vintage gear, going all the way back to the mono tube amps and console days. Like back to 1945.

I'd love to get an old tube amp, like a Fisher or Sansui. Maybe someday, for fun.

It really 'helps' when you know EXACTLY what type of equipment you enjoy and desire, with the 'exact sound' you know so very well and totally enjoy. That way your never disappointed when you get it. Unless it was just wore out. Losses are part of the vintage game. We have all had them until we finally get 'stable gear' that 'works'.

I'm pretty sure the new speakers should sound great. As long as the new speakers are 'box type' with 12 inch woofers. It's got to be the new amps that are causing the bad analytical sound (no flavor - fatiguing). New CD players sound outstanding. Light years beyond the older CD players of even 5 years ago. It's got to be the new amps. But the new speakers don't have AlNiCo magnets which is the big 'negative' for me. ANY speaker system that needs a sub woofer...forget it. Let the 'big box' speakers do all the work. Big Box speakers just sound right.

Maybe nothing 'new' sounds right.

I've heard that Bryston amps sound right!

Get a TOTL vintage rig with a new CD player. Perfect sound. :)
 
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I find that the most disatisatisfaction often occurs when one gets a system which is too revealing. That's why I have always run at least one tube component inside of my system.
 
Not to speak for the OP, but I think some of us may be missing the point.
I don't think the problem is that he can't find a system he likes. I think the problem is that no system seems to satisfy him and so he keeps looking for something that, at this point in his journey, he is beginning to believe is not attainable.
"I'm happy, so if he just got a system like mine he'd be happy too..."
 
I find that the most disatisatisfaction often occurs when one gets a system which is too revealing. That's why I have always run at least one tube component inside of my system.

I completely agree! I also rotate systems and run a lot of LOWER resolution but very pleasing vintage systems. And, let me tell you, NO system sounds the "same" as it did today, "tomorrow" or the day after that. Humans are "fickle", "subjective" beings whose moods vary significantly and that affects their ability to hear things "consistently". Then there are the changes in the environment and even weather, you know--gray days, vs. sunny. Cold vs. steaming hot. Calm vs. torrential downpours, and so on.

Remember the words of Heraclitus: You cannot step into the same river twice.

If you think you can hear the same thing the same WAY twice, kudos to "you"! I've never had this experience.

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Taking a long trip always makes the equipment sound better when I come back. Maybe it is time for a break.
Good luck bud.

Or spin some analog.

I find that the most disatisatisfaction often occurs when one gets a system which is too revealing. That's why I have always run at least one tube component inside of my system.

That may be a really good idea.

Seems a tube or two would really take the edge off and add some warmth to digital. I think, not sure, some guys use tube DACs and are very happy with them.
 
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Here is an observation:

OP: i am tired of the chase, a living room that has many boxes, spending endless time fretting about stuff. I want some normality.

Response from some: but if you buy brand xyz, vintage whatever your problem is fixed cause it fixed me!

Despite this hobby being about listening, the real point Brett makes goes unheard by some! Instead there are attempts to ram more gear down his throat. The irony....

Sell it if you feel like it. You dont need a justification. Go for a run, surfing, spent some time around others and forget music and hi fi. If it comes back, fine. If not, fine too.

It is a hobby, not a religion dictating your life choices and moral framework.
 
Maybe I'm just not as 'buy happy' as some of you but I honestly have a question for you 'never-ending pursuit' guys: What happens when you just hook up your system and just listen for three months without trying to decide what to buy next? Do you honestly not enjoy it? Can you only hear what you perceive are the shortcomings? Do you think to yourself, 'What do I buy to take the next step forward?'

I mean, my first exposure to the high end was very, very high end. I'm a musician and that was my drive... To get more realistic sound in my house. I've bought quite a bit if gear, both for the home, computer and for various vehicles but in most instances, I literally just enjoy the music unless the gear is truly dreadful.

Maybe that IS the difference. I've long said that I don't like the term audiophile. I don't look down upon those that embrace the term but to me, it signifies someone that keeps wanting better and better gear rather than wanting to just get a great system that is good enough to use to enjoy the music...
 
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