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Altec 416-8A enclosure design

konsl

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I'm currently trying to design an enclosure for the 416-8A, and experiencing some challenges.

First, I can not find any T/S parameters for this speaker. I can find them for the 416-8B (incorrect in original documentation, and correct numbers derived in the 1980's found here: http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/Thiele-Small.html). The problem is that the 416-8A is different than the 416-8B (their free air resonance frequencies are 25Hz and 24Hz, respectively).

Second, I don't know what kind of port size I need for an arbitrary sized cabinet. I'm trying to alter a 612C cabinet slightly to increase the volume to >= 7.25 cu ft (7 cu ft when removing the 0.25 cu ft the speaker displaces). I've read that the 416-A/B/C/Z requires at least 7 cu ft to become effective. The official Altec literature says ~14 sq inch port for a 612C (source: http://alteclansingunofficial.nlene...letters/AN-5_CustomizingAltecLFEnclosures.pdf), but that seems really small. I've also read that Altec literature can be incorrect and/or contradict itself. How do you calculate the "optimal" port size, or at least the minimum port size?

Does anyone have any advice, experience, or documentation that could help my project?

Additional context: I want a multi-genre speaker system for a large, rectangular room (17 x 45 ft - 765 sq ft with 12 ft ceilings). I'm putting custom horns on top (outside of the enclosure) that will crossover at 800Hz. Will play jazz/classical/soul via vinyl, but also use for regular listening like hip hop and house music. I'll likely improve the latter with the addition of a subwoofer?

Thank you!
 
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I'm currently trying to design an enclosure for the 416-8A, and experiencing some challenges.

First, I can not find any T/S parameters for this speaker. I can find them for the 416-8B (incorrect in original documentation, and correct numbers derived in the 1980's found here: http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/Thiele-Small.html). The problem is that the 416-8A is different than the 416-8B (their free air resonance frequencies are 25Hz and 24Hz, respectively).

Second, I don't know what kind of port size I need for an arbitrary sized cabinet. I'm trying to alter a 612C cabinet slightly to increase the volume to >= 7.25 cu ft (7 cu ft when removing the 0.25 cu ft the speaker displaces). I've read that the 416-A/B/C/Z requires at least 7 cu ft to become effective. The official Altec literature says ~14 sq inch port for a 612C (source: http://alteclansingunofficial.nlene...letters/AN-5_CustomizingAltecLFEnclosures.pdf), but that seems really small. I've also read that Altec literature can be incorrect and/or contradict itself. How do you calculate the "optimal" port size, or at least the minimum port size?

Does anyone have any advice, experience, or documentation that could help my project?

Additional context: I want a multi-genre speaker system for a large, rectangular room (17 x 45 ft - 765 sq ft with 12 ft ceilings). I'm putting custom horns on top (outside of the enclosure) that will crossover at 800Hz. Will play jazz/classical/soul via vinyl, but also use for regular listening like hip hop and house music. I'll likely improve the latter with the addition of a subwoofer?

Thank you!
In that size room why build cabinets?
A7 VOT Cabinets can be had for less than the cost to make them
No subs needed in a huge space
 
In that size room why build cabinets?
A7 VOT Cabinets can be had for less than the cost to make them
No subs needed in a huge space

For aesthetic reasons, and to control the size. Although I have the space, I don't want gigantic cabinets.
 
Yeah I get that
There’s plenty of Altec pro’s that can help you out here.
Good luck
 
I’m surprised that none of the Highly Qualified
Altec experts SS427? Haven’t answered
Your request.
Perhaps I can misquote some Information
That usually works
lol
 
Call Great Plains Audio in Oklahoma City. Their speciality is building new Altec drivers and woofers and repairing, re-coning and re-magnatizing Altec drivers. They also repair JBL and EV drivers and speakers too. If you need diaphragms for your HF. drivers they have them, too. They have a website you can visit. There is an Altec website that has T/S parameters, but don't know if the 416 A is on the chart. Most Altec woofers are measured in either a 6.5 cu ft or 8 cu ft box. I'm sure they can tell you what size port you need. The best I have heard early 416's and 515's sound was when they were mounted in walls with another room behind them or a large closet or hall way. Other wise they didn't perform that well below 50 hz. Yes there was signal there but the sound quality wasn't realistic. Voices could sound fantastic, but bass instruments like bass drum, contra bassoon and pipe organ among many others never sounded correct to me.
 
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