Angel's horns proudly made in Missouri, hot good superior fever God bless
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zoombrewer77
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Thought you were a spambot for a sec. hilarious though.
My thoughts too. I couldn't bring myself to click on the video.
DaaDaa
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Schiit audio had to remove the "made in USA" badge from their website and change it to designed in USA because of the very stringent standards that are imposed by the government to get that badge while liars can make a website, fake amazon reviews and a youtube channel and sell things using a paypal account and a bot. very nice.
zoombrewer77
Tinnitus Maximus
The About page is just perfect.
AngelsHorn is derived from the desire of everyone to pursue music,
and this desire is the pursuit of all things in the world, but also the desire for quality life.
In addition to providing people with high-quality temperament,
AngelsHorn also hopes to help people to tap their potential, to open up wisdom, to purify the soul,
to eliminate sorrow and sorrow, to free people from suffering, to make people's spirits enjoy a high degree,
and to challenge the limits of sound! A strong self!
AngelsHorn is derived from the desire of everyone to pursue music,
and this desire is the pursuit of all things in the world, but also the desire for quality life.
In addition to providing people with high-quality temperament,
AngelsHorn also hopes to help people to tap their potential, to open up wisdom, to purify the soul,
to eliminate sorrow and sorrow, to free people from suffering, to make people's spirits enjoy a high degree,
and to challenge the limits of sound! A strong self!
NBPK402
Active Member
The "Made in USA" is only required if you export. Any product that has no Country of Origin marked is assumed to be a USA product. This is a stupid law as Companies get caught all the time importing products with no C/O, and the fix is to allow the Broker to affix C/O stickers. As we all know stickers can be removed easily if they want to.
DaaDaa
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im not sure if we are talking about the same exact thing. i was referring to this: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sch...bable-start-up.701900/page-2884#post-14735246
i would very much recommend reading it.
uofmtiger
Addicted Member
Thought I would jump into this thread because I saw this video when I was researching it. They now sell them on Amazon and I have one that is coming for review purposes ( from Amazon, not from the company itself). With this type of thing, if I review something, sometimes I get something better to review along the same lines. I recently ordered a Cambridge phono preamp, so I guess that is how they pegged me as a vinyl fan.
Will be interesting to see if it is any good after this really awkward step into the market. This one is for an office that doesn’t have a turntable, so if it is even halfway decent, it will be better than nothing. The page on Amazon says it has Bluetooth and USB output, but when you go down the page it shows the mahogany unit I picked out without those boxes checked... so we will see what I actually receive.
Will be interesting to see if it is any good after this really awkward step into the market. This one is for an office that doesn’t have a turntable, so if it is even halfway decent, it will be better than nothing. The page on Amazon says it has Bluetooth and USB output, but when you go down the page it shows the mahogany unit I picked out without those boxes checked... so we will see what I actually receive.
vwestlife
Super Member
Angels Horn has removed the "Made in USA" and fake reviews from their web site, and a representative of the company told me they do ship out of that garage in Missouri, but now their web site seems to be half in Chinese, and I don't see any option to switch it to all-English.
Like I said in the video, the turntables are probably OK, but I would not recommend buying them from such a shady, slapdash company. You can find more trustworthy brands selling nearly identical turntables at the same or better prices.
Like I said in the video, the turntables are probably OK, but I would not recommend buying them from such a shady, slapdash company. You can find more trustworthy brands selling nearly identical turntables at the same or better prices.
uofmtiger
Addicted Member
I got it and it plays fine. The built in preamp isn’t great, so line out is better into my Denon x4200 phono input. I tried my Bellari VP129, but was getting some humming sound... probably because it was too close to receiver, so will get around to fixing that down the road. I do like the overall package.
This one has Bluetooth, but I am not a fan of how that works. It just automatically connects to whatever Bluetooth device is nearby. Unfortunately, I have too many always on Bluetooth devices in my office. I got some static on a Bluetooth speaker it automatically connected to that was just 7 or so feet away. I did place a Bluetooth speaker closer to it, but the sound wasn’t in the same ballpark as my regular office setup, even if the connection was much better with it sitting closer to it.
It also has usb out, but the supplied cable was too short to reach my computer, so I have an extension cord on the way to test that out. I doubt that I will use it all that often, though.
They are selling it for around $180 on Amazon and I prefer this fake mahogany ( will post a pic when I come back and describe the USB) to some of the other options in that video about it. I guess we will see how it holds up, but it has been a lot of fun spinning records in my office while I work from home.
I see his point about their initial campaign and it obviously doesn’t give the buyer a sense of confidence. It is probably why they have it in Amazon’s review program ( though, plenty of respected companies go that route too). I decided to post my thoughts here since this is part of the reason I would have reservations about it.
In fairness, the Orbit he compared it to doesn’t have a preamp, Bluetooth, or USB out. I don’t see a switch for changing 33 to 45, either. If you add the Orbit preamp to the Orbit, the price goes to $250. Not saying the preamp is much to write home about, but it’s there for those that just want to get up and running and part of the cost which is right in line with the Orbit that has a lot less features ( most of which I personally won’t use, but they are part of the cost).
vwestlife
Super Member
That's my video and the only reason I compared them to the U-Turn Orbit is because Angels Horn is literally using the Orbit name on their turntables:
https://www.angelshorn.com/collecti...-2-speed-retro-vinyl-record-player-angelshorn
https://www.angelshorn.com/collecti...-2-speed-retro-vinyl-record-player-angelshorn
That is a trademark violation, because U-Turn Audio owns the trademark to the Orbit name for turntables in the USA:
http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4807:q3xn3.9.1
http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4807:q3xn3.9.1
uofmtiger
Addicted Member
I thought you were comparing them on price. My bad. Unfortunately, the trademark link above expired... I take your word for it, though.
watched your video again....They now sell them on Amazon. The $229 isn't the price on Amazon as of yesterday. It is the retail price if you buy directly from them. Many companies show the retail pricing on their sites but can be found cheaper nearly everywhere.
They have been selling them for $179 on Amazon. 1byOne is now selling theirs for more... 186.99 at this moment, so pricing isn't static on these things. This was probably their initial retail listing that went down very shortly after coming to market. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Amazon price go up if they run short on stock. I looked at the Teac you mentioned. They didn't have stock when you made the video (on Amazon) and they still don't. It really isn't an option. Their 280BT, which is very similar, is selling for $250 at the moment on Crutchfield. The 1byone with speakers would be for a different market, but it now sells for $260.
In other words, I agree with your point about the way they came to market, but pricing on these things fluctuate constantly...there is no guarantee that the links I posted above will have the same pricing later today. However, if someone came by your video today, the entire part where you compared prices would be incorrect at this point and unfortunately, you have one of the only videos about this record player at the moment. Not saying it needs to be changed because pricing is always moving on products and people should take that into account.
All that being said, I agree with a your video about how they stumbled/tripped into the market. I have seen a lot of complaints about another turntable because they are essentially a slick marketing firm selling china-made tables. However, the company that is behind these tables would have been much better off going that route. However, the table itself looks great, plays fine, etc.... at least during my limited use of it. Also, with the prices being where they are, there isn't much in the market at the moment at this price point with these features.
vwestlife
Super Member
Interestingly, even though U-Turn has been selling their Orbit turntables since 2013, they didn't register their trademark on the name Orbit until February 2020, right around the time these Angels Horn Orbit turntables first started appearing. It is published for opposition until December 29th, 2020, meaning that any other company can opposite their claim to the trademark until that time. If no one does, then I wouldn't be surprised to see U-Turn go after Angels Horn for using their trademark very soon after that.
Another trademark search revealed that "Shenzhen Guokeying Technology Co., Ltd." is the Chinese company behind Angels Horn.
Another trademark search revealed that "Shenzhen Guokeying Technology Co., Ltd." is the Chinese company behind Angels Horn.
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