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Another Eico ST 70 thread

Scott as I understand the page I posted, They want you to swap the positions of the caps and the resistors (change the value of both ) and add jumpers.



BIG-TIME BREAKTHROUGH!!! Here's the fix (finally!) for the Loudness switch that works for both the ST-40 and the ST-70 and completely changes their sonic character, emphasizing the obvious fact that, as implemented, it was a clear design and/or documentation error. First of all, get a schematic, and see for yourself--it just cannot work as designed. I finally got fed up with two problems that both these amps exhibit (especially with high-sensitivity speakers)--one, all their volume is dialed in within about the first 20% of the volume control's rotation, which exacerbates a problem inherent in the part itself--an imbalance favoring the one side at low settings, and two, the stock Loudness switch performs more like a bad Mute switch which cuts the volume but doesn't add any real bass. The ST-70 is rather short of bass anyway, and this just makes that worse. Well, guess what, it ain't the guts--it's the stupid-ass Loudness switch design. Here's how you fix it:

1. We have to reverse the positions of the resistors and capacitors on the Loudness switch, and change their values, as well as add two jumpers to the switch with this change, so bear with me. The .2mfd @ 10vdc capacitors are becoming .022mfd @ 400vdc 716P Orange Drops, and the 2.7K resistors are becoming 22K. And their positions on the four-gang switch are reversed--the resistors go from the switch to the ground points on the chassis-mounted terminal strip (where the caps were), and the caps are mounted on the switch body itself (where the resistors were).

2. Now we add two jumpers that, looking at the switch from the rear, connect the bottom left tab to the middle right tab of the left-most DPDT switch section and another jumper in the same position on the right-most DPDT half. Think of the four gang switch that EICO used as though it were two DPDT dual-gang switches side-by-side (although this function could be performed correctly by a single DPDT switch, as in any Scott 299 circuit.)

So, from the rear the Loudness Switch looks like this:


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1 4 7 10
2 5 8 11
3 6 9 12

Rear View

The new jumpers go from 3-to-5 and 9-to-11.

3. And while you're at it, replace the 68pf ceramic caps with silver micas. Keep all stock wiring intact!
 
Yes,cut paste,insert values,with paint.I left the original in the first post.
I have the ST84 preamp,which will get this mod,as well as PEC replacement,and ceramics removed
 
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Scott, I was just looking at the first thread. Did you find PC Peco? Did you make it up with breadboard?. I'm at work on smart phone so I don't have access to drawings or amp. I'm not visualizing where this physically is. It looks like a nice solution.No not loafing , I'm waiting for somebody (really).
 
:thmbsp:ok oddly enough after ordering pieces for this, I end up having everything on hand except the mica 68pfs, which didn't prevent me from doing mod /fix . Not to offend the purists, but I really like the result. it fixed the volume control issue and acts like all the loudness controls I've encountered before. Bass at low volume just slightly boosted (at least not as heavy as some loudness controls I've encountered). All in all a success . This thing is starting to sound awfully good!
 
Oddly enough I received a pair of pcboard pec's with the Eico ST70 chassis parts.I have not verified proper r's ans c's but they look pretty good.
a long time ago someone was looking into making pcboards,but I don't know what happened.
the PEC's are on the top side near the bass/trebble controls IIRC
 
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Nice! You got to love the internet! Just about everything is there to be found if you put in the right keyword.
OK as we get down to the nitty gritty, I rechecked all supply voltages. Within a few volts. Bias is good + or.002v . I can live with that. I probably have 15-20 hours through it since it settled out. My observations, sounds really nice, great soundstage. If I could point out very minor nitpicks . Level at zero, low level hiss. With no source as you turn level up, it diminishes. (Maybe not to nothing but you have to listen hard for it. Even at its loudest, not much of anything. Also very low, what sounds like ac hum It doesn't seem to be affected by hum pot or by reversing polarity of power plug. Again very low level regardless of source selected. Neither of these can be heard when listening to music. Last nitpick, if I had to describe the sound, I'd see slightly overly warm. Certainly not unpleasant. Perhaps an over emphasis on low mids lows. Setting treble up slightly, makes it sound more neutral to my ears. I was going to try it on different speakers.. Also I might try rolling middle three tubes. My last thought is the coupling caps need to break in so it might change on its own a bit. Just for the record, I am nitpicking here. I have some thoughts on gaming him some, but its not necessary
 
On the hum,did you put the bottom cover on?,it makes a difference.
I think there is some more info in the previous mod links(Im not sure)about lowering the noise floor.The pec replacement will give you better highs,and mids

This is for the ST84,but likely pertains to the ST70 as well

http://www.tronola.com/html/st84_mods.html

Do you have a scope and sig gen?
 
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No bottom cover hasn't been on since I started meddling with the insides. I'll have to try that. Did you say you had PC based Pecos (printed circuit) ? Do you remember where they came from? Back on phone now. I have to compare that artlcle to the st70 one. I might have done that already. Thanks
Oh in that Peco link did you happen to notice the suggestion to change Peco values to something from the rca manual?
 
I saw that(RCA manual),but I think the sugestion was made because the real values were unknown in that thread.
here is a pic of the ones I received.They are not verified as correct.

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Did you replace the ceramic caps under the chassis yet?
 
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