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Another "Natural Sound" convert

KlipschFan61

KlipschFan61

Smooth Jazzer
Now I see what all you Yamaholics are talking about. The Yamaha "Natural Sound" presents you with music as it's meant to be heard. Forget about that bass overemphasis, honking mids and shrill highs. If the tune is making serious bass, the Yammie makes it too. It never makes more (colors) than the mix originally had.

Pretty freakin' impressive and I'm not easily impressed. Easily amused perhaps, but not easily impressed.

Disclaimer: This sound may not be for everyone but I'm experiencing some serious audio bliss right now so please forgive the babbling.
 
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I concur on the sound. My Yamaha units sound very different to my Marantz units. Not sure why that should happen with electronics, but there you have it.
 
Nice... would love to hear one of the higher end CR models like the 1020! Sounds like you're describing mine. I like my CR-220 a lot despite some readily forgivable drawbacks (it is an entry level unit, after all). I do like timbre on most stuff and it has a smooth sound. It plays digital nicely too. Definitely pleasing to listen to music through it! I particularly like how it handles vocal material. Would likely sound much better with smaller, less demanding speakers.
 
Yes, this poses the question: What exactly did Yamaha do differently? My natural sound stuff sounds phenomenal!

My guess as to why they sound good: They set up their volume pots to be used in the most linear part of the pot...on my cr-600 at least. Also, nice dynamic preamp. Now for the experts to figure out what really seperates em from the heard...:scratch2:
 
What did they do differently? The answer is not really a technical one. They simply made a conscious decision to make accurate gear. You either play to the people in cheap seats who buy whatever has the most bass and sizzle or you stick to your guns and play it like it is.

I saw that struggle all of the time in my audio selling days. Some companies built gear to leap off the shelf and impress you in a 60 second demo, others built gear to be as accurate as possible. Unfortunately it was not the latter who usually sold the best. The more time you had a with a customer to explain and demonstrate the differences, the better the chance of selling them good stuff. The less time the took, the more likely they ended up with colored sounding mid fi gear.
 
I've done 95%+ of my listening since 1976 with the Yamaha CA series of amps. I try to listen to other peoples rigs as much as possible... just in case. My arsenal now includes the CA-2010,1010,1000 and 810. Rarely a day goes by that I don't listen to the 'Natural Sound'.:music:
 
It's hard to beat the old yammies! I just sold my CR-620 but still have a CR-1000 awaiting its turn in rotation.
 
Thats it.I have read enough.I am finally pulling out my 2020 for first time tonight.Will run with NLU Advents.Will post pics.
 
Shalom

For audiophiles I advise to look for a P2200/2201 Yamaha. Very, very good low distortion, wide bandwidth design. Has high damping factor, very excellent speaker cone control. Low end very powerful and clean, beautiful clean harmonics reproduction. Quiet amplification because no fans, just very huge heat sinks.

I have P2201, but both models identical except P2200 has analog VU metering. This is very good amp design for discerning ears who appreciate clean, high power, distortion free sound.

I try other amps and still prefer the P2201. It has that something special in the sound that lets music speak true. :)
 
I've heard some interesting concepts on Yamaha audio.

One chap on another forum was chastising me for Yamaha gear and "how could they make any decent gear, they make motorcycles and all kind of stuff, they couldn't possibly be expert in audio gear and all these other things".

My response was simply, "Well, since Yamaha also makes some fine musical instruments, who better to know how an amplifier should sound than a company that also makes the real thing?
 
I lucked into a real nice unit too. Cosmetically it's a 9.0 out of 10.0 and all the controls and nifty little surprises that it has all worked as they should. I can see why merrylander loves this stuff.

Yamaha made some amazing gear for sure.
 
Coincidentally, I opened the box on my recent eBay purchase today, at about the time you posted this thread. I, too, am now the proud owner of a CR-1020. It made a pair of KLH 24s sing at my office -- can't wait to connect my ADS 710s!

My unit is about an 8.5 cosmetically. There are some dark spots on the grille and some of the smaller buttons on the front (for phono 1/2, OTS, etc.) have darkened.

It is a very smooth sounding receiver to my ears. Runs a little hot, though, eh?
 
My grille is warm to the touch but not much. I'm not really banging away at it right now but am running my Ohm Walsh's and they tend to heat things up a bit more than the Sansuis do.
 
Currently own a CA610 Int. Amp and a newer MX-830 Power amp. I agree, Natural Sound IS different from all my other amps. The closest Yamaha sounding amps that I've heard are my Philips High Fidelity Labs Series.
 
KlipschFan,

Are you planning on doing/having any work done to yours? Anyone know that typical things to look for and/or replace in this unit? I'd like to make sure mine's ready to go for years to come, because it's not leaving the herd.
 
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