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Any thoughts on Bottleheads Paramour monoblocks kit?

You would be sitting Very pretty. Your assumption is correct: Foreplay III ( preamp ), Paramour II ( power amps, mono blocks ), source ( CD, Tape, etc... ) Efficient speakers , and you are there. Add the Seduction ( phono preamp ) and turntable of your choice ~ NIRVANA

Kim
 
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I don't have a preamp, just two tube phono preamps, one very sweet Wright 200C currently in use, and a Pro-Ject Tube Box II on standby. I'm willing to buy a preamp, I'll just have to spread this all out a bit, or...

Now I'm quoting myself:scratch2:

Yes, I have two nice (one very nice) phono preamps, so no problem there, I won't need the seduction. I might order this package tomorrow, I'll just have to be broke for a while. But I figure since the kits will take a while to arrive and then be put together, I'll have time to save up for the speakers.

Another question to those who have bought Bottlehead kits: approximately how long did it take to get yours? I can deal waiting 3 weeks or so, but 5 to 6 weeks is a little ridiculous, it can't take that long for them to get everything together and send it out.

Any other thoughts about this possible combination are most welcomed.
 
Or better yet the Wright phono stage you already own and love!

I bet you will be very happy with the foreplay and paramours - there's nothing like the feeling of building something with your own hands. I'm sure they will sound great as well. Good luck!
 
I can only imagine how great it will feel to have at least assembled the gear I'm using, and for a long time I've been very curious about what kind of sound monoblocks putting out just a few watts each would produce.

Not long ago at all I was set to buy a Jolida integrated amp and have that be my first tube amp experience, but something made me wait. I think this route will be a lot cooler. And if I use the Wright phono pre with this setup - that's a lot of tubes, should be interesting.

Just as a side note, I should point out this setup will be in a very small room, so it really doesn't need to be extremely loud.
 
If you are lucky with your timing Bottlehead stuff ships quickly. If you get in after a run while they are waiting for parts on the next run there can be a wait. Most of us who have ordered from Bottlehead very quickly forget any "wait" when we first turn them on (the amps that is). If this is a potential problem for you call and talk to them, they will be more than happy to give you an estimate on timing. They are really great to deal with! Their web site also has a "Shipping Status" area which would probably answer this question as well. Just remember there are few mistakes and many possible directions.

Terry
 
I think you made a fine choice, Mr. Lin. Kits are an excellent way to get into this hobby and to me and many others, you'll have more appreciation for your equipment when it's done.
 
Your going to have a set up that sounds much better than the price you paid.Just make sure you get super efficent speakers someday.Khorns la scalias or cornwalls would be my suggestions.Good luck
 
I can only imagine how great it will feel to have at least assembled the gear I'm using, and for a long time I've been very curious about what kind of sound monoblocks putting out just a few watts each would produce.

Not long ago at all I was set to buy a Jolida integrated amp and have that be my first tube amp experience, but something made me wait. I think this route will be a lot cooler. And if I use the Wright phono pre with this setup - that's a lot of tubes, should be interesting.

Just as a side note, I should point out this setup will be in a very small room, so it really doesn't need to be extremely loud.

My entire system revolves around Bottlehead now ( Foreplaylll, Seduction, and Paramounts---all with upgrades) I have after many many years and many many brands of equipment decided that the Bottleahead will leave my house only when they shovel the last bit of dirt over me........................:smoke:
 
Have you looked into any other makers or kits yet? There are a few Dynaco Mark III style kits out there that may give you a lot more bang for your buck.

Just a thought.
 
My entire system revolves around Bottlehead now ( Foreplaylll, Seduction, and Paramounts---all with upgrades) I have after many many years and many many brands of equipment decided that the Bottleahead will leave my house only when they shovel the last bit of dirt over me........................:smoke:

Lol, that's definitely encouraging.:D
 
Ok, so tonight I took the plunge and ordered the Foreplay III/Paramour II package deal. I almost exclusively order online due to convenience, but I wanted to talk to the folks at Bottlehead, so I called in the order. You guys who said Eileen is a sweetheart were dead-on; she was so friendly and helpful it was amazing. When I asked if she could recommend some speakers she put me on with Doc (I think?), who was equally friendly and enthusiastic and answered about 20 minutes worth of questions I had. It's so nice when someone you're buying from actually sounds interested in talking about the product, and then some. We even discussed my Wright 200C phono preamp for a bit.

Now the hard part: waiting. She said expect it to take about a month, or perhaps they'll be able to send the parts sans wood boards until a later point. I asked Doc what the big deal is with single ended triodes just to see what he'd say, and he insisted that especially for vinyl playback this type of system is the only way to go. In any case, I bet it will eventually be a far cry from my Outlaw receiver, although that sounds great to me. I asked a little about modding too, and he said I shouldn't be concerned with that at this point, and that a lot of the modifications make audible, but nevertheless small improvements in the sound.

I'm so excited I can't even sit still.
 
Congrats Mr. Lin, a good choice IMO and I think you are going to enjoy the ride. I've heard a few of the Bottlehead products over the years and always liked them. As far as low power SET's go, they are very finicky about system matching but get it right and you may never stray from them - I know I'm staying.

The key pieces from here on in - speakers, speakers & of course, speakers.
 
Thanks Billfort, and as always, I'm still open to speaker recommendations, especially from those using Bottlehead amps.
 
Excellent choice. Prepare yourself for the longest month of your audio life, waiting and waiting. But worth the wait, whatever that turns out to be. Spend your time gathering supplies for the build. I don't think you have shared your experience with soldering. Do you have all the needed tools to put these together? If you have no experience in soldering, the waiting period is an excellent opportunity to get some time with the iron.
Congratulations on joining the Bottlehead family.

Kim
 
Ok, so tonight I took the plunge and ordered the Foreplay III/Paramour II package deal. I almost exclusively order online due to convenience, but I wanted to talk to the folks at Bottlehead, so I called in the order. You guys who said Eileen is a sweetheart were dead-on; she was so friendly and helpful it was amazing. When I asked if she could recommend some speakers she put me on with Doc (I think?), who was equally friendly and enthusiastic and answered about 20 minutes worth of questions I had. It's so nice when someone you're buying from actually sounds interested in talking about the product, and then some. We even discussed my Wright 200C phono preamp for a bit.

Now the hard part: waiting. She said expect it to take about a month, or perhaps they'll be able to send the parts sans wood boards until a later point. I asked Doc what the big deal is with single ended triodes just to see what he'd say, and he insisted that especially for vinyl playback this type of system is the only way to go. In any case, I bet it will eventually be a far cry from my Outlaw receiver, although that sounds great to me. I asked a little about modding too, and he said I shouldn't be concerned with that at this point, and that a lot of the modifications make audible, but nevertheless small improvements in the sound.

I'm so excited I can't even sit still.


Seems to me I predicted you would wind up taking the plunge in a big way, especially after I saw how quickly your tube rolling purchases accelerated. Have you stopped by the local thrifts to see if there are any old consoles needing some love? You've got a whole month to haunt the thrifts and find some other vintage tube gear to compare to your incoming purchase....:thmbsp:
 
Kim,
Regarding my soldering experience - I have none (except playing around with a soldering gun as a child, real safe). I bought a 25 watt soldering iron a couple weeks ago, but I think the Bottlehead site said you need a 35 watt iron, so I might have to get a new one. I have many of the basic tools I'll need.

I ordered a bunch of stuff from Allied Electronics and some other sites last week to play around with. I've become intensely interested in electronics; I've had my face buried in a book that teaches you how to read electronic schematics for a couple weeks, and some others too. So I ordered a bread board and some parts to build some simple circuits for practice. As for soldering, I also ordered this little $12 kit for a tiny solid-state amp that will likely be my first thing to practice on. Also, one of my books has a whole section about soldering technique which I've read and believe I understand, but obviously one needs hands-on experience with something like that.

Yes, it's really going to be a long, long month. As a matter of fact, it's already been a long evening!
 
Seems to me I predicted you would wind up taking the plunge in a big way, especially after I saw how quickly your tube rolling purchases accelerated. Have you stopped by the local thrifts to see if there are any old consoles needing some love? You've got a whole month to haunt the thrifts and find some other vintage tube gear to compare to your incoming purchase....:thmbsp:


Yep, you called it:yes:

But this will have to be the end for a while, because now I'm broke! Luckily I have enough NOS tubes to last a lifetime, though I'll need a couple good 12AT7s since nothing I have now uses them, but it looks like they're pretty cheap compared to the 12AX7s and even 12AU7s. I bet a pair of Mullards will do the trick.

I believe it was you who advised me that tube rolling is more effective with power amps than preamps. Considering the wonderful sonic improvements I've gotten just from rolling tubes with my Wright phono pre, that's really something I look forward to.

By the way, off topic, but I just got a pair of Tungsram 12AX7s and they are phenomenal! I have to use the same tired descriptions: crystal clear and highly detailed midrange, noticeably better soundstage.
 
With so few watts you need horns klipsch, altec's or lowther based diy speakers.Some also use open baffle speakers single driver stuff.You might want to check those out too.Diy.com is the place to go they have fourms on what to buy and others like you who have gone down the diy set route.I have done a few diy speakers over the years its a easy way to save alot of money if your handy and have some tools.If your not handy go to a local cabint or wood working place with your plans have them cut the wood then you glue it all togeter stain or paint it.Its super easy to get great diy sound to match your diy amps.Oh if your not already you should be over at aa reading everything on your amps and soldering.Anything no matter how minute will help at assembly time.Also look at how some of the neater builds are done how guys bend the wires of the resistors and capacitors.How you bend them really makes a difference on how proffesional it will look.
 
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