Anyone own a Denon DP-1000?

[Rotoplooker]

I'm looking at a Denon DP-1000 and would like to know if anyone is running this model. I don't want to break any forum rules(I'm not asking about price, etc) but I respect any mods right to move the post if they see fit.

My understanding is they are a mid 80's model, might have been sold modular(arm, platter, plinth) and are not a servo arm, so much more conventional in design.

Searching Denon DP-1000 on this site reveals nothing..any owners out there care to comment on this one?

 

[KLH9]

A DP-1000 is just the drive mechanism (motor platter). If it is mounted in a base it would be a DP-1500 (look at the label on the right rear of the wood base for the full model #)

I own a DP-1500 with a walnut base and a Grace 707 arm purchased new around 1977 and a DP-3500 with an ash base and a Mayware arm purchased new around 1978.

What do you want to know?

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[Rotoplooker]

Hey thanks for the reply. I don't know too much about Denon but I know there seem to be 2 camps on the arm setup. Some people say the servo electronic arms are their best, some say the old manual standard arm is your best bet.

Your Grace and Mayware are not OEM, correct? In other words, they did not come with the table from Denon's factory? I'd be interested in knowing something about the stock arm that appears in the DP-1000 brochures.

I'm looing at setting up a second table again and don't plan on swapping arms. I'm also interested in any known issues/troubles with the motor, electronics, etc.

Without starting a "mine is better" sort of thread, where does this model stand in it's stock form?

Cheers,
RP

 

[Rotoplooker]

That just sank in...I get it now. So the 1000 is actually a 1500 in a plinth. That probably explains why I did not find a lot of info on the 1000. I'll have to refine my search to a 1500.

Did the "1500" include a stock non-servo/Denon arm?

 

[KLH9]

That just sank in...I get it now. So the 1000 is actually a 1500 in a plinth. That probably explains why I did not find a lot of info on the 1000. I'll have to refine my search to a 1500.

Did the "1500" include a stock non-servo/Denon arm?

A model 1500 was an armless platter in a wood veneer base with a removable mounting board. The ones with Denon arms were marked with a different model designation (usualy DP-xx where as the armless units are marked DP-xxxx). Look at the back of the base where the label is located. You will find the model # on there.

 

[thedelihaus]

The magnetic-strip models (use a magnetic strip on the platter inner or outer platter bottom and a sensor to pick it up) are fantastic with speed accuracy. Sony used it as well, re-naming it the "X-Tal" lock system. Sony actually bought it from them.

The servo arms are exceptional performers. My concern is that as they age, parts to repair them will not be available, nor will a tech be able to tackle the job.



You could by a DP-1000 separate from the plinth- the plinth was available as the DK-77. And you could add your own arm.

As for the 1500, I don't know which arm it was equipped with.

As this model is a "budget" Denon (still quite well built), I think it's going to be a non-servo arm.


There are on occasion a few other models that pop up similar- a japanese issued-only plinth, or a larger plinth option, perhaps a different arm, and bought from the PAX.

I know the model up (DP-2500/2550/2800) came in two sizes of wood based plinths, and one marble plinth.

Pretty neat.

 

[thedelihaus]

Rotoplooker- I am not 100% sure this model uses that nifty magnetic sensor.

Be sure to check. And if you see it in person, be careful with it- many get chipped, damaged or demagnetized.

 

[thedelihaus]

Just checked- looks like it does indeedy have the magnetic strip/lock.

 

[KLH9]

Just checked- looks like it does indeedy have the magnetic strip/lock.

Yes, both my DP-1500 and DP-3500 use the embedded magnetics in the platter rim to lock the speed.

They use what looks like a tape recorder head to read the pulses as they go past.

Neither one of them has "hiccuped" in 30 years and are still rock solid as far as holding speed.

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[Rotoplooker]

Thanks guys, for your input on all things Denon.

I'm glad the magnetic speed sensor is included in this model, cause you had me all worked up on that X-TAL lock thingy! Great looking table KLH9. Did they come in different wood veneers? The one I'm running down comes with stock Denon non servo arm, so I guess it's actually a DPxx as opposed to a 1000 or 1500.

 

[KentTeffeteller]

All US model Denon DP-1500 turntables were vinyl veneered in Oak. I know a fellow in Chattanooga who owns one with an Infinity Black Widow mounted on it and a Ortofon OMP 30 with adapter installed. Sounds very nice. Good looking. :tresbon:

 

[KLH9]

All US model Denon DP-1500 turntables were vinyl veneered in Oak. I know a fellow in Chattanooga who owns one with an Infinity Black Widow mounted on it and a Ortofon OMP 30 with adapter installed. Sounds very nice. Good looking. :tresbon:

I ordered my DP-1500 directly from Denon (salesman accommodation).

I specified natural walnut veneer (real wood). I don't know if this was a retail option or if they did this for me (after 30 years it is hard to get the details sorted out in my mind on this one). I still have the DP-1500 and it is natural walnut, not vinyl.

I know that when I ordered my Polk 10s (salesman accommodation). I asked them to use oiled walnut (natural wood venner) on the cabinets and they did. I do know that these were the only natural wood model 10s they ever made because they told me that they would NOT do another set when I wanted another pair the following month. I had to get my second pair in the stock rosewood vinyl.

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[Lastplace]

I've always heard the Denon DD tables suffer from a wimpy motor. Is that true?

My Sony PS-X65 has lots of torque

 

[KLH9]

I've always heard the Denon DD tables suffer from a wimpy motor. Is that true?

My Sony PS-X65 has lots of torque

Wimpy motor? I've not heard that one before. I don't think I would use them to try to spin stuck jar lids off but they don't have much of a problem turning a 1/2 ounce or less of vinyl.

The direct feedback loop speed control which reads the actual platter rotation speed and adjusts the input voltage for the AC motor to maintain an accurate and consistent speed, made it one of the more accurate turntables of its day as it adjusts motor speed based on the rotation of the platter, not relying solely on an external device (like a quartz oscillator alone). Rotation speed lock can be user adjustable by use of an override wheel/knob on the drive motor.

Both of my Denon tables have worked just fine for the past 30 years. I use both daily. I have the DP-3500 hooked up to my main system (KLH9s and AR stuff) and the DP-1500 hooked up to my den system (LS3/5a and Nakamichi system 1).

As long as they spin accurately and are quite as a church mouse I don't see any reason to look for anything else, though I do have 5 or 6 other turntables in boxes around here just in case :yes:

 

[pmsummer]

My DP-1800, which is supposed to have the DP-1000 drive, looks a little different (speed control and on/off switch). The marble plinth top is what made it the DP-1800.

 

[Old_Tech]

My DP-1800, which is supposed to have the DP-1000 drive, looks a little different (speed control and on/off switch). The marble plinth top is what made it the DP-1800.

I thought I was the only one who bought the Deutsche Grammaphone LP'S.

 

[thedelihaus]

I've always heard the Denon DD tables suffer from a wimpy motor. Is that true?

My Sony PS-X65 has lots of torque

The sony indeed has plenty of torque. I own a few of 'em myself.

As for the Denons- the lower models might not be as torque-rich as some of the Technics and Sony higher-up models, but that doesn't mean they are wimpy.

It needs to be put into proper perspective- many of the upper-tier DD models are over-built and brutally strong with their start-up torque- a bit overkill.

The Denons are strong enough and more than adequate to get the platter spinning, hold speed, and spin 180 grams of vinyl with nary an issue.

My DP-1800, which is supposed to have the DP-1000 drive, looks a little different (speed control and on/off switch). The marble plinth top is what made it the DP-1800.

Excellent, PM! I've never seen one before but have read about them. Thank you for sharing the photo!

I thought I was the only one who bought the Deutsche Grammaphone LP'S.

Ahh, I've got a few myself. Nice licorice pizzas, they make....:yes:

 

[Pucho]

Denon Turntables

Hello everyone:

I wanted to add my DP2550 to the discussion here. I am the original owner having purchased it in new in 1979. I unearthed it this past winter after many, many moons in hybernation. I had a Grace 707 Arm professionally mounted back in the early 80's although I do still have the original Denon arm as well.

My question in this. After so long in hybernation, the start / stop switch has developed some internal contact interference and doesn't always activate the motor on the first push. Is there some type of contact spray that could be applied externally that might seep in and help in cleaning the electronic contacts?

All responses are greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance.
David (Pucho)

 

[pmsummer]

Hello everyone:

I wanted to add my DP2550 to the discussion here. I am the original owner having purchased it in new in 1979. I unearthed it this past winter after many, many moons in hybernation. I had a Grace 707 Arm professionally mounted back in the early 80's although I do still have the original Denon arm as well.

My question in this. After so long in hybernation, the start / stop switch has developed some internal contact interference and doesn't always activate the motor on the first push. Is there some type of contact spray that could be applied externally that might seep in and help in cleaning the electronic contacts?

All responses are greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance.
David (Pucho)

Welcome to the wonderful world of Deoxit!

 

[Pucho]

Deoxit

Hello pmsummer:

Thanks for the pics and info. Can this stuff be applied externally onto the top of the switch, or is surgery required before applying it?