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Are Speakers Good After 25 Years?

punman

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I have a pair of Epicure (EPI) 100s that I bought in 1981 for $280 for the pair in 1981.[$620 for the pair in today's money I calculated for inflation]. I am using them as left/right on my TV.
Two questions: Would these speakers still be in good listening shape? Never been dropped, stored well. Do they need maintenance?
Second question of curiosity. For those that know EPI, do you think if they were still being made and were brand new, would they be as good as pair of $620 today? Back in their time they were rated high in consumer reports for mid priced speakers. Or have speakers gotten cheaper priced and better over the years like other electronics so that $620 a pair today would buy way better quality speakers than the EPIs were?
 
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Speakers are so subjective, and sensitive to room placement and upstream gear. that it is difficult to answer that question.

Replace the surrounds, recap the crossover, replace the spring clips with real binding posts, and you won't be asking if they are any good. You'll just sit back and enjoy, for another 25 years.
 
Or have speakers gotten cheaper priced and better over the years like other electronics so that $620 a pair today would buy way better quality speakers than the EPIs were?

Maybe, but as LV says, a freshened set of EPI 100s is darn good listening.
And can be accomplished for a few hours time and $30-40.
 
Many threads here on EPI re-foams and re-caps. Do some searches and find the answers. Almost all who have have been pleased (including me) :)
 
Is it a guarantee that these speakers need the updates or could they still be good as new without rehab?

Quick visual / tactile inspection will tell if they need refoaming, but it's likely. After 25 years or so, the chance that they need new caps approaches 1.
Edit: at least, if you want them to have original sound!
 
I have a pair of Epicure (EPI) 100s that I bought in 1981 for $280 for the pair in 1981.[$620 for the pair in today's money I calculated for inflation]. I am using them as left/right on my TV.
Two questions: Would these speakers still be in good listening shape? Never been dropped, stored well. Do they need maintenance?
Second question of curiosity. For those that know EPI, do you think if they were still being made and were brand new, would they be as good as pair of $620 today? Back in their time they were rated high in consumer reports for mid priced speakers. Or have speakers gotten cheaper priced and better over the years like other electronics so that $620 a pair today would buy way better quality speakers than the EPIs were?

I have one pair that are less than 20 years old and they all sound fine. I try to buy only speakers with butyl rubber surrounds, but 2 of the 4 pairs have foam. Fresh foam, but still foam.
 
Is it a guarantee that these speakers need the updates or could they still be good as new without rehab?

Smoke and sunlight cause accelerated deterioration of the butyl rubber, but just the passage of time causes the rubber to offgas, and break down.

Ditto the caps. For a few dollars, get the Dayton polypropylenes, with Dayton film & foil bypass caps. When I opened my several pairs, I always changed the internal wire for 16 awg that I had hanging around.
 
FWIW, rubber doesn't rot like foam, but it does get hard, so I replace all the EPIs I encounter with fresh foam.
There's another EPI thread discussing this around here. A quick search should reveal it.
 
I have a pair of Epicure (EPI) 100s that I bought in 1981 for $280 for the pair in 1981.[$620 for the pair in today's money I calculated for inflation]. I am using them as left/right on my TV.
Two questions: Would these speakers still be in good listening shape? Never been dropped, stored well. Do they need maintenance?
Second question of curiosity. For those that know EPI, do you think if they were still being made and were brand new, would they be as good as pair of $620 today? Back in their time they were rated high in consumer reports for mid priced speakers. Or have speakers gotten cheaper priced and better over the years like other electronics so that $620 a pair today would buy way better quality speakers than the EPIs were?

I used to have EPI 100, also purchased back in Jan or Feb 1981, and I owned them until 1995 when one of the tweeters was damaged in a move. Sadly, I got rid of them. I toyed with the idea of buying another set, but I already own four pairs of speakers and I only listen to two pairs, so I have resigned myself to the fact that I have moved on.

1. Do your speakers need re-foaming and/or re-capping? I agree with those who say probably, if you want them up to their original specs. It is important that the cabinet is sealed, as EPI used an acoustic suspension design.

If you decide to re-foam re-cap, don't go crazy trying to upgrade the speaker, just restore to original specs. IMO, if you want to spend big bucks, just get another speaker.

2. Can you get something equivalent for $620 today?
Yes, you probably can, but they will sound different from your EPIs. Speaker design and manufacture improved a lot through the 1980s and early 90s in particular, resulting in better imaging and low bass in smaller enclosures. The designs are somewhat different and they certainly sound different.

For $620, you can either get a pair of decent mini monitor with some good stands or a small floorstander with a narrower footprint than your EPIs from companies like Tannoy , PSB, Acoustic Energy, Mirage, or Paradigm. Objectively, any of these speaker will measure better than your old EPIs, with deeper bass, more extended treble and smoother midrange without the dips in frequency response the old designs had. All these designs will also have better quality binding posts so you can used bananas, bare wire and spade lugs to connect them.

Whether you like the sound of these newer speakers is a different question.

Remember, EPI was highly regarded in its time, but it was far from a state of the art, audiophile speaker. My audio dealer sold me the EPIs with a modest Sony integrated amp, and a JVC belt drive TT. The system was musical but certainly not state of the art, even for 1981!

-Martin
 
Thanks for all of the input on this.
I have never done speaker maintenance or repair so I will have to read up on it.
 
I think that depends.
If they sound good to your ears, I wouldn't worry about it.
If they don't, then see if they are placed correctly (correct distance from each other and from you) and directed towards your ears.

If that doesn't solve the problem, see if the drivers need a refoam. You may also want to recap them (replace the capacitors)
 
Since we're only talking about replacing ONE capacitor per speaker.
I'd spent a little extra $$$......and get Dayton 1% Poly caps.....or better.....


Steve
 
I have the following with origional caps:

1970 Sansui SP-2000s (thye sound really great - I don't understand why.)
1970 Sansui SP-2000s (2nd pair - they need total crossover work, cabinets perfect, stored in closet for a later day.)
1970 Sansui AS-100s (look minty and sound 'fantastic', all 3 of em!)

Are 25 year old speakers still good?
I guess it all depends on who made em, how the actual speaker was constructed, and were they abused. If they have alnico magnets maybe ya just need to get them remagnetized, couldn't hurt. I had a pair of new CVs and the woofers rotted out in 3 years. My Sansui woofers are still as perfect as perfect can be, and sound great, even after 38 years.

They may even sound better with new caps, buy why mess with a good thing. They sound great. Leave em alone. I.E.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it! They got the magic, why mess with it??!!!!!!!!
 
All of ours are older than 25 years and all sound good, guess they are just broken-in.
Polk Monitor 7s and 10 Yamaha NS-670s and NS-690s.
 
"Are Speakers Good After 25 Years?"

i would imagine that a very large percentage of the folks on this site are running speakers at *least* 20 years old. mine are 30. oops, 31. still running the original x-over components. maybe i should change out those caps...

in a few words: yes, if they were good to start with, and maintained as needed.
 
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