Around $1,000.00 ?

[bluenote79]

I think the TD-160 is better regarded than the TD-165. But others can add their comments.

One thing is you should be on a concrete slab with these TT's unless you use a wall shelf. I had a TD-160 and it didn't work with a suspended floor (i.e. crawlspace under floor) due to bouncing as I walked. It'll work fine with a wall shelf, which is what I was using. On a concrete slab, no problem at all.

I honestly don't know much about these tables at all, except that folks around here seem to favor vintage Thorens over a lot of stuff that's on the market today. But, what I don't understand is why these models (with apparently good suspension) would need any special treatment in placement (within reason). Lots of members originally recommended the Technics sl 1200 because of the quartz locked speed and because of it's solid build, but when you mentioned that your TD 160 picked up movement as you walked, that makes me wonder.

 

[bluenote79]

@wushuliu Thoughts on the suspension and the quoted message above ^? Just trying to get a better understanding of what I'm getting into before I buy.

 

[Balifly]

I honestly don't know much about these tables at all, except that folks around here seem to favor vintage Thorens over a lot of stuff that's on the market today. But, what I don't understand is why these models (with apparently good suspension) would need any special treatment in placement (within reason). Lots of members originally recommended the Technics sl 1200 because of the quartz locked speed and because of it's solid build, but when you mentioned that your TD 160 picked up movement as you walked, that makes me wonder.

That is a known characteristic - foot fall.

Properly adjusted springs suspension should eliminated that problem.

Difficult task for most novice Thorens users.

 

[wushuliu]

@wushuliu Thoughts on the suspension and the quoted message above ^? Just trying to get a better understanding of what I'm getting into before I buy.

I didn't have a problem with footfalls for those tables and don't recall reading many complaints about that. Regas and similar, yes because they are very light tables. But as Balifly said, properly adjusted it shouldn't be a problem. That's one of the benefits of it being suspended and having a decent plinth, it's more isolated from external vibration. So it being *more* susceptible to footfalls would defeat the purpose.

But go with what makes you comfortable. My suggestion continues to be take advantage of Amazon so you can compare at least two tables. Getting a TT shouldn't be like an arranged marriage and we, the matchmakers. Give yourself choices.

 

[bluenote79]

I didn't have a problem with footfalls for those tables and don't recall reading many complaints about that. Regas and similar, yes because they are very light tables. But as Balifly said, properly adjusted it shouldn't be a problem. That's one of the benefits of it being suspended and having a decent plinth, it's more isolated from external vibration. So it being *more* susceptible to footfalls would defeat the purpose.

But go with what makes you comfortable. My suggestion continues to be take advantage of Amazon so you can compare at least two tables. Getting a TT shouldn't be like an arranged marriage and we, the matchmakers. Give yourself choices.

Thanks. Your suggestion is great. I'm right around the corner from owning two tables to compare. Hopefully I'll be able to snag this TD 160 locally, and I have a Music Hall mmf 2.3 on order from Amazon. Looking forward to the shoot out. And I really appreciate all your help.

 

[Grenadeslio]

@wushuliu Thoughts on the suspension and the quoted message above ^? Just trying to get a better understanding of what I'm getting into before I buy.

Suspended tables in general do not do well with suspended floors. On the other hand, in general suspended tables are much more immune to airborne aucustic feedback. IE, if I tap my finger on the plinth of my non-suspended tables I can hear it through the speakers. With the Thorens it takes a very hard rap on the plinth, my AR requires something like a hammer lol.

So each has its strengths and weaknesses, if your floor is concrete slab then no worries. If not the a shelf mount could be in your future. Some springy floors are bad enough to upset non-suspended tables as well.

 

[bluenote79]

Suspended tables in general do not do well with suspended floors. On the other hand, in general suspended tables are much more immune to airborne aucustic feedback. IE, if I tap my finger on the plinth of my non-suspended tables I can hear it through the speakers. With the Thorens it takes a very hard rap on the plinth, my AR requires something like a hammer lol.

So each has its strengths and weaknesses, if your floor is concrete slab then no worries. If not the a shelf mount could be in your future. Some springy floors are bad enough to upset non-suspended tables as well.

That's a very good break down for a novice. Very helpful

 

[captouch]

It really depends on how bouncy your floors are. I don't think the suspension was designed to eliminate susceptibility to footfalls. I have a Dual 1229 and Technics SL-1700 - both are fine on my springy suspended floors. I believe my Thorens was properly adjusted, and if I tiptoed carefully I could avoid problems, but who really wants to live that way? I had a Sonographe TT that was worse than the Thorens, though that one may not have been adjusted optimally.

It's just something to keep in mind. All suspended floors are not the same "bounciness", so you may be fine, or it could be a problem. I don't think you'll know for sure until you try it, but my warning was just meant to be something you should keep in mind.

 

[tabarddn51]

Hi, There is a very good thread in DIYaudio on this very subject. But basically the writer has come up with a $1,000 system with the following,
Lenco Deck, TemaadAudio 12 inch arm, (if you go for the kit arm you could afford to wire it with VHD internal wiring) AD797 phono amp (from this site) Cartridge to your flavor but look for a Denon DL 103d, (note it must be the "d" not any other type) or from my experience if you can find one an Onkyo MC 1000. (CONSIDER THIS CART WHEN PROPERLY SET UP SRA WISE TO BE BETTER THAN MY DYNA XX1)

Cheers Derek