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Audio System Enhancer

robgmn said:
I give them some credit for THIS statement (though I ask if the concept is somewhat flawed as there must be a problem with the cable if it is affected by the discus through the dielectric AND the ground shield).

A free try however, is a good thing.

" They use good old physics and engineering (hey, Einstein published papers on relativity more than 100 years ago, and quantum mechanics is getting on to be almost 100 as well!). Not that BlackDiscus uses Quantum Mechanics. It doesn't (not in this universe at least). Which means it is in the minority, as most tweaks seem to claim quantum something-or-other in their priciples of operation.."
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That paragraph stood out to me as saying absolutely nothing. It doesn't state what kind of physics and engineering it uses. Just a bunch of misdirection about Einstein and Quantum physics that it doesn't use.

I very much doubt whatever these things are do anything at ll, but I guess we'll have a fairly clear answer soon.
 
matteos said:
That paragraph stood out to me as saying absolutely nothing. It doesn't state what kind of physics and engineering it uses. Just a bunch of misdirection about Einstein and Quantum physics that it doesn't use.

I very much doubt whatever these things are do anything at ll, but I guess we'll have a fairly clear answer soon.
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But the inventor is a mad scientist. That counts for something in my book. :thmbsp:

cubdog
 
matteos said:
Hah, not afraid... I'll wait until I see if you and others think they make a difference, my wife already thinks I'm a crazy person.:yes:
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If you're already thought crazy, can you be considered crazier? Are there degrees of crazy?

With 3500+LP's and 1600+CD's and four six foot tall speakers in my living room my neighbors probably think I'm crazy. I however, prefer to be thought of as eccentric.
 
JoeESP9 said:
In the next couple of weeks I'll be conducting my usual informal LTLT (long term listening test). I'm not interested in nor have any desire to do any blind or double blind testing. That's not how I listen to music. I believe that testing of this type should be done in the same way I actually listen to music.
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That's not a test. That's a review.
 
matteos said:
That paragraph stood out to me as saying absolutely nothing. It doesn't state what kind of physics and engineering it uses. Just a bunch of misdirection about Einstein and Quantum physics that it doesn't use.

I very much doubt whatever these things are do anything at ll, but I guess we'll have a fairly clear answer soon.
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I have a feeling if someone reports any improvement whatsoever you're liable to discount their findings. Why not request your own samples and try them yourself?

For the record I have my doubts about their efficacy. I'm also willing to give something totally free a try.
 
What part of free do you not understand? Instead of pulling out the old, "I don't believe in it therefore it's snake oil argument", you have an opportunity to try something and decide for yourself whether or not it's snake oil.

Of course it's a lot easier to just throw names around than actually try something. Once again, are you afraid to give them a try? You can get two samples absolutely free.

Please note; I've already stated my own skepticism regarding their efficacy. However, for free neither I nor anyone else has anything to loose by trying them other than what may be incorrect assumptions.
 
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The other thread was alerting us to their existence. I'm inclined to think the original thread was dismissive and condescending in it's attitude.

I acquired a couple to try. That's what this thread is about. Before you dismiss the entire idea why not get a couple (they are totally free), try them out and then if you think they are snake oil at least you'll have an informed opinion.

Geez, does being stuck in the past gear wise also lead to being narrow minded?
 
Yes, the other thread was dismissive and condescending. I'll admit that I was part of that.

I think this one will follow the same path.
 
JoeESP9 said:
What part of free do you not understand? Instead of pulling out the old, "I don't believe in it therefore it's snake oil argument", you have an opportunity to try something and decide for yourself whether or not it's snake oil.

Of course it's a lot easier to just throw names around than actually try something. Once again, are you afraid to give them a try? You can get two samples absolutely free.

Please note; I've already stated my own skepticism regarding their efficacy. However, for free neither I nor anyone else has anything to loose by trying them other than what may be incorrect assumptions.
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Calm down old man... Did I say it was snake oil ? No... I just asked a simple question about investments from a gentleman with lots of years experience.
Just looking for a hot tip. :D

I am still trying to understand how your review is a test.
Regardless, I'm still looking forward to your "test" Joe.
 
Joe - why don't you wake up and smell the coffee? Free is a waste of time when your music system is just great the way it is. Hey Free is like market research into just who is not satisfied with their present audio system. Your system no good? Here - waste some more time with this...you get what you deserve.
 
JoeESP9 said:
I'll be reporting about my results good bad or indifferent in a couple of weeks... So, if you don't believe in this sort of thing here is your opportunity to debunk the manufacturer.
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Good luck and do get back with us.

Honestly, I was hoping to find some kind of plausible explanation for their effect on the site. Remember the VPI Magic Bricks from the 80s? Or, what is effectively a modern version, the Shakti Stone? Many folks poo-pooed those without understanding the problem they address. The concept is quite simple: they absorb a range of EMI which can affect nearby low level circuitry.

Which is exactly why the industry has pretty much transitioned from using laminar EI transformers with known high EMI leakage to toroids and more exotic R-core types.
 
JoeESP9 said:
A couple of weeks ago there was a thread about the "Black Discus - Audio Enhancer". As usual for devices of this type there was a lot of derision and name calling about the devices. The usual term of snake oil was loudly trumpeted.
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Joe, I applaud your efforts.

If this is moved to The Cutting Edge forum I'd be inclined to follow it.
Here in the Gen Pop it is much too painful. Already.

Good luck with your best intentions.
 
goldieduck said:
Joe - why don't you wake up and smell the coffee? Free is a waste of time when your music system is just great the way it is. Hey Free is like market research into just who is not satisfied with their present audio system. Your system no good? Here - waste some more time with this...you get what you deserve.
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Sure, and while I'm at it I'll watch out for those "holes" on a speaker's front panel that effect the load.:smoke:
 
cubdog said:
But the inventor is a mad scientist. That counts for something in my book. :thmbsp:

cubdog
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I imagine his room is adorned with Plasma lamps and tube gear:thmbsp:

JoeESP9 said:
If you're already thought crazy, can you be considered crazier? Are there degrees of crazy?

With 3500+LP's and 1600+CD's and four six foot tall speakers in my living room my neighbors probably think I'm crazy. I however, prefer to be thought of as eccentric.
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There's definitely degrees of crazy and few crazy people think of themselves as crazy :D

JoeESP9 said:
I have a feeling if someone reports any improvement whatsoever you're liable to discount their findings. Why not request your own samples and try them yourself?

For the record I have my doubts about their efficacy. I'm also willing to give something totally free a try.
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You're wrong, I actually trust yours and cubdogs opinions on audio based upon your general postings.. You guys would have to give these the thumbs up before I bothered trying... Now you will both collude and say they work :scratch2:
 
sebrof said:
Joe, I applaud your efforts.

If this is moved to The Cutting Edge forum I'd be inclined to follow it.
Here in the Gen Pop it is much too painful. Already.

Good luck with your best intentions.
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Thanks sebrof. I guess it's too much to expect a bunch of folks who mostly think the state of the art gear wise reached its ultimate with whatever vintage gear they favor, to be willing to try a free tweak. I didn't realize vintage gear and narrow mindedness are synonymous.

Would a moderator please move this to The Cutting Edge.
 
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