Bi Wiring? Is it a load of old.......

[pitabread]

I'm sitting here thinking how exactly Bi Wiring can have any positive effect on the speakers performance, anyone care to explain for me?

I understand that Bi Amping ''might'' have a positive effect but to be honest I only see this being beneficial if you match the amps to the speakers/cross overs carefully and the fact that you can control the volume independently.
Using the same kind of amp for the highs as the one used for the lower end might not have the same effect.

So why does Bi Wiring make a difference unless you use two different kinds of wire to each speaker, but I still dont see it making a difference.

 

[Urizen]

Try it and report back. You'll never know for sure unless you do. Experience trumps all.

 

[Hyperion]

Depends on the amplifier (or amplifiers), the speakers and the cables, try it and report back, everyone has different experiences which is why...

Try it and report back. You'll never know for sure unless you do. Experience trumps all.

Is very good advice.

 

[gadget73]

Its one of those things I'd like to try, though I'm highly skeptical. I do not own any speakers that can take it though.

 

[pitabread]

I cant try it , my speakers are not Bi Wirable.
I have some old mission speakers here that were but I remove the posts for a project and soldered bridges in.

The reason I ask is if the signal comes from the same source, then travels along two different cables, then goes into the same cross over, whats the difference?

If the difference is in the cross over why not just one run of wire that splits at the cross over? To me that sounds very much like a conventional single wire speaker anyway.

 

[Ohighway]

Try it and report back. You'll never know for sure unless you do. Experience trumps all.

I look at something like Bi-wiring, try and use logic and still come to the conclusion........ that it sounds like BS to me.

HOWEVER ....... I thought my buddy's claim that changing the wire that supplies power to his preamp power supply made a difference in the sound was BS. Right up until he proved it to me.

These days I keep more of an open mind. Frankly, you just never know until you try. :thmbsp:

 

[Hyperion]

The reason I ask is if the signal comes from the same source, then travels along two different cables, then goes into the same cross over, whats the difference?

That's the point, by bi-wiring you separate the signals going to the different 'speakers' (remember we are talking very small resistances here, but potentially quite high currents), so that the audio signals interact less.

With Bi-amping you go one step further and arrange the separation at the pre- amp stage (or earlier?).

And it isn't a load of... for some it works really well.

 

[pitabread]

But you can only separate the signals with a cross over, both wires will carry the exact same signal, so why not use a single wire then split it at the cross overs?

Edit - sorry , the topic title could have been worded better, I dont know if it is a load of old... because I dont understand how it works.

 

[matteos]

I did it, I had some speaker wire left over, it made a small difference I think. Didn't AB it so hard to know for sure. My wire was 12 gauge, so now it's two lots of that so I don't think it was because I was using inferior wire.

But yeah, best advice is to try it yourself and not listen to the opinions of those who have not.

These days I keep more of an open mind. Frankly, you just never know until you try. :thmbsp:

That's the truth, I used to have more vocal and stronger opinions when I used to know less. Now I try and shut up more.

 

[pitabread]

I might unmodify the little Missions and give it a whirl. I only have some chord odyssey and some very old gale copper stuff so I'm not going to be too sure if it works or if it is just the cables.

 

[sebrof]

I cant try it , my speakers are not Bi Wirable.


The reason I ask is if the signal comes from the same source, then travels along two different cables, then goes into the same cross over, whats the difference?

That's not the reason you asked, it's the reason you don't believe it will do anything.
What IS the reason you asked?

 

[toomuchvinyl]

My Cambridge Soundworks M-80's are bi-wireable and I've always run them that way. I'm not sure if they would sound any different using a single pair but I did think the jumpers to bridge the posts on those speakers looked a little cheezy and so just figured I'd be better off having a wire to each post.

 

[pitabread]

That's not the reason you asked, it's the reason you don't believe it will do anything.
What IS the reason you asked?

Thats exactly the reason I ask , because I cannot see how it works and would like someone to explain it to me.
Sorry guys, I wasnt trying to open a can of worms or anything.

I would simply like someone to explain how it works, I was even thinking perhaps of trying to modify my Yamaha speakers, but if I dont know how it works...

 

[pitabread]

My Cambridge Soundworks M-80's are bi-wireable and I've always run them that way. I'm not sure if they would sound any different using a single pair but I did think the jumpers to bridge the posts on those speakers looked a little cheezy and so just figured I'd be better off having a wire to each post.

Funny you should say that, the plates on my Missions are a little dubious looking also, big gold plated plates, much bigger than they need to be. :scratch2:

 

[stereocuuple]

I cant try it , my speakers are not Bi Wirable.
I have some old mission speakers here that were but I remove the posts for a project and soldered bridges in.

The reason I ask is if the signal comes from the same source, then travels along two different cables, then goes into the same cross over, whats the difference?

If the difference is in the cross over why not just one run of wire that splits at the cross over? To me that sounds very much like a conventional single wire speaker anyway.

why bring it up at all then? im fraking sick of these threads.

 

[pitabread]

why bring it up at all then? im fraking sick of these threads.

Perhaps you should read the thread and find out. :yes:

Edit - You see here is the thing, from what I have read it seems to work for some and not for others, so , would it not be a good idea to try and find out why?
If we know how it works we may be able to figure out why it doesnt work for some and thus perhaps give enough insight into it for them to be able to make it work.

 

[Frank Sol]

:yes:

I tri-wired my modified Forte

I like it

:thmbsp:

 

[pitabread]

Does it come from the same output on the amp?

I'm wondering if budget bi wirable speaker cross overs just dont work?
Surely a speaker manufacturer wont bother bi wiring if in this particular speaker it doesn't actually work?

 

[matteos]

Thats exactly the reason I ask , because I cannot see how it works and would like someone to explain it to me.
Sorry guys, I wasnt trying to open a can of worms or anything.

I would simply like someone to explain how it works, I was even thinking perhaps of trying to modify my Yamaha speakers, but if I dont know how it works...

Read this.

 

[luvvinvinyl]

Re: budget speakers

In this day and age, you can't always discount the importance of marketing.

Image over Substance.

I'm relatively certain there are some makers of budget speakers who make said speakers bi-wireable, just to expand the target market for those speakers.