Bose 901 Response Graph

jindra

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It seems that the bose speakers everyone talks about are always the 901's. I wouldn't mind getting a pair for cheap, but also wouldn't mind knowing how flat the response is. I'm sure there is a whole bunch of people going to tell me how it doesn't matter about response curves and how you should go with what sounds good to you. I don't care to hear any of those opinions at all. First I read specs, then I listen if I like the sound, if I'm going to buy something. I'm after a response curve of the speakers and if they fall within 3db from let's say 40hz to 20Khz. It seems there is no such thing on this planet. Why would anyone ever spend over $1000 on brand new speakers that don't advertise their response?

If anyone has a response curve of these speakers or knows where to find one, I would appreciate the link!
 
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It seems that the bose speakers everyone talks about are always the 901's. I wouldn't mind getting a pair for cheap, but also wouldn't mind knowing how flat the response is. I'm sure there is a whole bunch of people going to tell me how it doesn't matter about response curves and how you should go with what sounds good to you. I don't care to hear any of those opinions at all. First I read specs, then I listen if I like the sound, if I'm going to buy something. I'm after a response curve of the speakers and if they fall within 3db from let's say 40hz to 20Khz. It seems there is no such thing on this planet. Why would anyone ever spend over $1000 on brand new speakers that don't advertise their response?

If anyone has a response curve of these speakers or knows where to find one, I would appreciate the link!

Paul Klipsch once showed me the response curve that he had run on 901's (He carried about a hundred response charts around in his shirt pocket). It looked like a magnified view of a crosscut blade. I didn't see a flat octave in there anywhere. That's why Bose doesn't publish their response charts.
 
Bose doesn’t publish response curves because these are direct/reflecting speakers.
I recently read an old Stereo Review article that reported measured the response as 35Hz – 17kHz +/-5db on axis. They commented on how difficult it is to get accurate measurements by convention means because of the reflected sound. My experience with them was favorable, they held their own compared to a couple of other well reviewed Klipsch speakers I owned.
 
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Bose 901 frequency response

Maybe this will answer some of your question, this was from another inquiry about the same subject from another forum and this is the response the individual received from Bose (if not you can always contact Bose and inquire specifically about frequency response)...............


Thank you for your inquiry. Bose (R) Corporation does not publish frequency responses, simply because they are not accurate and usually will mislead the customer.

Frequency responses are usually measured with testing equipment set up in an anechoic chamber. An anechoic chamber is an isolated room designed so that sound will not reflect off any surfaces. Giving out such frequency response results is terrific- for those people who live in anechoic chambers! Most of us listen to our systems in rooms with very reflective surfaces, such as plaster, brick, glass, and dry wall, so the frequency response that a manufacturer may supply is no longer accurate. Just as no two rooms have the same dimensions, nor are they decorated exactly the same or have the same construction, no two rooms will sound the same when using the exact same
speakers and amplifier.

For example, if you were to place any speaker in a room with no carpeting and wooden furniture, you would hear something completely different than if they were placed in a room with shag carpeting and plush furniture. Perhaps
this can be equated by imagining a single lighted candle placed in a room with completely black floors, walls and ceiling. Obviously, the same candle when placed in a room with white surroundings will appear to be emitting
much more light than when placed in the first room with black surroundings, as the light will reflect a great deal more off the white surfaces. Sound reflects off surfaces, much like light does. The surroundings make the speakers sound different in the same manner, because they actually are able to reproduce different frequencies via sound reflection and speaker placement.

We hope you do not take the fact that we do not publish speaker frequency responses personally. We do not publish our speakers specifications to anybody, whether it be before or after they have purchased a speaker system
of ours. We simply invite our customers to listen to our speakers using the most accurate testing equipment possible- their ears.

If we can be of additional assistance in the future, please contact us toll free at (800) 999-2673 extension EM1, or email us from our Bose website at:

http://www.bose.com/contact_us/
 
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It seems that the bose speakers everyone talks about are always the 901's. I wouldn't mind getting a pair for cheap, but also wouldn't mind knowing how flat the response is. I'm sure there is a whole bunch of people going to tell me how it doesn't matter about response curves and how you should go with what sounds good to you. I don't care to hear any of those opinions at all. First I read specs, then I listen if I like the sound, if I'm going to buy something. I'm after a response curve of the speakers and if they fall within 3db from let's say 40hz to 20Khz. It seems there is no such thing on this planet. Why would anyone ever spend over $1000 on brand new speakers that don't advertise their response?

If anyone has a response curve of these speakers or knows where to find one, I would appreciate the link!

The 901 would be a tough one to measure for Frequency Response. Using an anechoic chamber, or a windowed signal, would probably give you an on-axis response which, I believe, is a rather dishonest measurement with the 901's.
Bose extolled the 8:1 reflected to direct ratio and this wouldn't be shown on the measurements. Any other type of measurement would be, in large part, a measurement of the room and not the speaker and is therefore not a valid measurement.

I imagine that the 901's real frequency response, in room, is pretty lousy, not unlike many speakers in a real world situation. IMHO, if you're looking for accuracy in your sound, you should skip the 901's altogether and move on to something else.

Best Regards,
TerryO
 
Don't hold your breath waiting to see one. Even Stereo Review did not publish a graph when they reviewed the V's in the late seventies with a comment regarding the validity of any possible measurement.
 
At least if we had some kind of "expected response curve within the ideal room setup" for these speakers and I would be quite happy. At least something that I could compare to.

Are we supposed to be reflecting the speakers against a concrete wall or a wooden wall? How thick should that wall be? How would someone even go by setting these up since there isn't any ideal setup with a comparable response to go by?

There has to be some way to set them up to make a good sound stage where you could measure the flatness of the response. Otherwise what the hell are people listening to? Even if it would be mostly a measurement of the room, at least we would know of what they are capable in the most accommodated listening room.

I'm definitely going to steer clear of these unless they're below $100.
 
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BOSE Professional vs. BOSE Home Audio

http://worldwide.bose.com/pro/en_us/assets/pdf/en/tds_panaray_802_series3_loudspeaker.pdf

This is the website of the datasheet for a BOSE speaker which is similar to the 901 in that it uses multiple 4 inch drivers, but definitely not the same in that they're essentially front radiating. The amount of info is staggering including directivity, impedance, and so forth. What they're essentially saying is don't worry your pretty little head about flat frequency response (if you're a consumer).

This is true of most speaker companies. I tend to buy from the ones that do give more info such as Boston Acoustics, Infinity and a handful of others. While the datasheet has more info than most people need, including me, I'd rather have that, than buying solely on reputation and word of mouth which is essentially where we are today in this age of the internet, many speaker brands and few audio stores.
 
The response graph at the bottom is just awful. How can they say 60Hz-15KHz +/-3dB, but the graph shows more than +/5dB easily in that range. Not even going into how bad 15KHz is, considering I'm complaining my MG-IIc's don't go to 20Khz.
 
One reason that the 901's worked best with an equalizer is lack of a flat response curve and the reflected sound . Having owned a set in the past I can say they can go very loud when you feed them a lot of power. Placement is critical the sound is not as
accurate as some other speakers . That being said they present at least to me and others an interesting sound field. It has been said "you either like or hate them "
They can certainly fill a room with sound. They were widely used in Disco`s and nightclubs at one time for that reason . None the less I found them interesting and not objectionable . There are tons of threads on AK and elsewhere on 901's .
regards
 
One reason that the 901's worked best with an equalizer is lack of a flat response curve and the reflected sound . Having owned a set in the past I can say they can go very loud when you feed them a lot of power. Placement is critical the sound is not as
accurate as some other speakers . That being said they present at least to me and others an interesting sound field. It has been said "you either like or hate them "
They can certainly fill a room with sound. They were widely used in Disco`s and nightclubs at one time for that reason . None the less I found them interesting and not objectionable . There are tons of threads on AK and elsewhere on 901's .
regards
Yes, they would make good disco speakers, since in such an environment, quantity of sound is more important than quality. With 9 drivers, I'm sure 901s can take all the power thrown their way.
 
Because they listened to them and liked the sound.

I guess we are at the point of fidelity vs. personal opinion. I have run into instances where I prefer the lower quality/distorted version of a recording rather than it's lossless counterpart. Also listening to some things in my Toyota Corolla stock sound system provides a different experience, sometimes more enjoyable than my home speakers, maybe bringing back memories of my earlier days listening to crappy speakers.

What if Bose tried to make the 901 flat? Would the speaker be worse then? Does the whole science behind a reflected speaker depend on a massively inconsistent response curve?

The 901's are a bit intriguing, but spending the same amount on a pair of 901's as a pair of DQ-10's is absurd for me. Maybe I'll find them for a decent price and see what the fuss is about one day.
 
There's a reason they don't post the response...

OK, but I think the point was made as to just what is the proper measurement on that type of speaker. I'm not defending the speaker or Bose, per se, but I do defend presenting data that's proper. Don't have the answer though on the best way to measure it.

Also note it was without EQ which could/should shore up the lows and the highs. Also, without a frame of reference of another speaker in the same (apparently) house, measured the same way, it's pretty hard to say what is speaker and what is room.
 
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Amen to that. I have a pair of 901s I'm restoring, but I don't have the EQ. So do I spend $150 more to find out whether they sound good or not?

Bose 901 restoration thread


If you have a regular EQ, you might be able to get somewhat close enough to decide if you want to go all the way with the Bose EQ.

Here's what I approximated with a little but not too much tweaking. Not exact, but ballpark to some of the Bose EQ curves I've seen published.

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OK, but I think the point was made as to just what is the proper measurement on that type of speaker. I'm not defending the speaker or Bose, per se, but I do defend presenting data that's proper. Don't have the answer though on the best way to measure it.

Also note it was without EQ which could/should shore up the lows and the highs. Also, without a frame of reference of another speaker in the same (apparently) house, measured the same way, it's pretty hard to say what is speaker and what is room.

It was his backyard... I swear, I'm going to buy a set and see what the hype is... I REALLY want to hear a 6+ series...
 
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