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Cartridge and Stylus for Dual 1019

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bambang

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I just bought Dual 1019 from ebay without cartridge and stylus.
My budget for cartridge and stylus are 1k usd
Please advise what cartridge and stylus are best match to Dual 1019 ?
My music: pink floyd, alan parsons project, genesis, and some of slow rock

Thanks
 
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Good lord man. You're going to put a thousand dollar cart on, what was likely no more than a hundred dollar table? I'm sure some of the more experienced folks will chime in shortly, but I have a feeling they would suggest that your allotment is slightly out of whack.

I recently nabbed a 1019 as well. I put a Nagaoka MP-11 on it and it sounds great. But here we're talking about a $50 table and a $70 cart. I'm sure it would sound better with a $1k cart but I don't think I'd be getting everything out of it due to performance limitations of the table. It's built like a tank and all but I can't believe it would provide the performance of $550 - $1000 tables, vintage or new.

Oh, welcome to AK.
 
Hi., Thanks for the advise.
I was told that the cartridge and stylus are the important parts of a TT and they aren't cheap.
Happy new year..!
 
When it was introduced in 1967, the Dual 1019 sold for $129.50. It had many favorable reviews in various publications.
Mine sounds excellent with the Shure V15 Type II cartridge and VN-15E Super-Track stylus.
 
Good Lord! 1000 dollar cartridge on a 5 dollar turntable?

I put a shure m97xe on a 1019 for nostalgic purposes and I knew I was splurging at about 50 bucks!!!!
 
You might consider the Ortofon 2M Bronze. It would be a fair, but not perfect compliance match.

In the $350 - $400 range, the Bronze offers you a nude, fine-line stylus. My experience is that this renders detail not available in a lower-cost design. It also sits a little lower in the groove, eliminating much of the surface noise attributable to groove wear.

Fred

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I'm with those out there that feel that $1000 for a cartridge for that table is overkill.
You may want to consider a cartridge in a lower price range. or perhaps even sell the 1019 and get a different table.

A $300-500 table with a $500-700 cartridge may be a wiser way to go than placing a $1000 cartridge on the 1019. Or buy a nice temp cart like a Grado Black, Shure M97XE, AT440, or another value cart and enjoy that on the 1019 while you accumulate more funds. Those will provide fine sound commensurate with the abilities of the 1019, heck you may even decide it could be a keeper.

Just for the record, I've been running a bunch of older AT carts in my Denon because my new phono stage can't handle my MC carts output and am amazed at how nice they sound, and they all are under $100, probably under $50, used carts I've gleaned from tables that have passed through here. That being said, maybe a new stand alone phono stage would bring more benefit that spending the extra money on a cartridge upgrade???
 
Fred Longworth said:
You might consider the Ortofon 2M Bronze. It would be a fair, but not perfect compliance match.

In the $350 - $400 range, the Bronze offers you a nude, fine-line stylus. My experience is that this renders detail not available in a lower-cost design. It also sits a little lower in the groove, eliminating much of the surface noise attributable to groove wear.

Fred

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I've allways wanted a 1019 since I heard one at a local store. I think they sound and track great. I have also heard that the arms are a bit massive. I guess this means they will need a lower compliance cartridge.

What cartridge would offer a better compliance match than the Ortofon? Just out of curiosity.

Incidentally. if the gentleman wants to spend 1k, that's ok if he can afford it. Much can be learned by taking the $ paradigm out of the equation. He can allways get a 1k table to go with it later. I was very impressed with the 1019 I heard.
 
The 1019 is a great table and sounds very good with Shure cartridges that are actually fairly high compliance such as the the old M91 ed or the current M97xe. Another option if you like a somkewhat "brighter sound are the midline Audio Technica) I would recommend staying away from the AT 440mla though because that cartridge is more critical on VTA and the arm in the 1019 sits ass high because it needs to accomodate multiple records (The 1019 is after all a changer). Hence the 440mla tends to sound to bright.
 
My 1019 came with an AT70L. I ran through 4 or 5 different carts on that table, some worth several hundreds, and came back to the $40 70L simply because it was a great match to the arm, could track anything, and even made mono recordings sound fantastic (it's a .08mil conical cart). I think it's out of production, but the current version in an elliptical stylus is available for around $50.

http://www.needledoctor.com/Audio-Technica-71ELC-Cartridge?sc=7&category=909


As much as I love my 1019 for a secondary table, I think throwing a $1k stylus at is would be akin to putting a set of matched Pilot Sport tires on a Huyundai....yeah you got great contact, but you don't have the performance or power to exploit it.

I know this isn't what you want to hear, but many of us are trying to suggest you enjoy the 1019 for what it is, and not throw good money after bad. If you want a great package for around $1k, try something like this:

http://www.needledoctor.com/Pro-Ject-RM-5-Turntable_3?sc=7&category=947

I have the BP#2 included with this package (on an SME arm), and it's nothing short of fantastic.

Good luck,

James R.
 
Hi All,
After read your comment and advise, I decided to put Goldring 2400 MM cartridge., and yesterday I started to listen my first TT on Rotel RA-05 amp, Epos 12.2 speaker... Alas..!! I am not happy with the sound....!! :tears:

Compare to my marantz Cd MKIII, the TT is lack of detail and clarity. I really enjoy listening music in my small room with my current gear (marrantz+rotel+epos) and I love them.
Now I have question for you, How can I improve dual 1019 to beat Marrantz? Do I have to replace the cartridge ?

Thanks, bambang
 
As everyone else has said, don't put a really nice cartridge on the Dual...it's a waste...in fact, it is because I have a range of cartridges that stretch all the way from gimme AT CN3600's to Benz wood bodies that I have done a lot of experimenting with my Dual...I have even tried one of my MC cartridges on my 1218...

Let me tell you, that's a waste of time.

The cartridge mounting scheme leaves so much to be desired that there is no way you can solidly mount a cartridge in the headshell...and, with all the connections between the cartridge and the RCA plug you stick in your Rotel, well, it's almost amazing that any decent sound get through at all, in fact, I count ten such junctions, or solder joints, or switch contacts, etc., in my 1218....and, they are not all of the highest quality....

The Dual's mount doesn't give as rigid a mount as many cartridges need...now, there are some cartridges that work pretty well, but I found one of my MC's not to work well, where it has been just fine on a more rigid headshell scheme...a Grado Blue was OK, but the best so far has been a Stanton 681 with a Pickering D750 stylus...it really was much better than the Audio Technica AT3200E HOMC I tried...after that I decided that it would be a waste to put on anything even better...plus, it doesn't take a lot of effort to change the Pickering stylus for a Stanton 78 RPM one when I want to play 78's...yes, there are many Stanton/Pickering marriages that are possible....

I know there is a whole cult following around Duals...I like mine for what it is, but it is not in the league of almost all my other tables when it comes to ultimate fidelity...maybe after I replace the old tonearm wiring, and see if I can change the make/break muting switch to a grounding type mute the sound quality may go up a notch...but seeing as you are in England maybe you should look into a decent Rega...and you have to understand that I am not a Rega "fanboy"...but on your side of the pond they do present a decent budget alternative to other tables...and their arms (RB250/300 at least) will really let better cartridges, like your Goldring, be able to show you more of what they can do.

Now, I know I am going to hear from the Dual fanboys, but hey, I have one, my observations are based on what I have done, what I have heard, and in comparison to some of the midrange tables that I have on hand, such as my Yamaha PX-3. Micro Seki BL-51, Denon DP-45F, and my 1218 really can't swim in the same water resolution wise as those three...much less in comparison to my Linn...it does have a great sense of drive, has great speed stability, but is really held back by it's short tonearm without any real kind of VTA adjustment, a really, really crappy cartridge mount, and nearly 40 year old wiring with all it's contacts and connections...

So, don't expect a high-res machine from your Dual, but one that can play music, and quite satisfyingly so, and is a funky, fun piece of gear to play with.

Now, what LP's are you listening to?

It could be that the pressings you have listened to have just not been up to par and preventing you from hearing what may be on the same CD"s...

It is a different world!!!
 
Excellent Rick..!! You make me down earth again., I was hoping too much on my dual (it is nice good looking-mounted on united audio base, remind me of old days) I like it. My LP are pinkfloyd and alan parsons project, while my cd are pinkfloyd, alan parsons, rick wakeman and some of old songs like jim reeves, elvis and slow rock, and I live in Jakarta.
Now before I gone too far again -being afool :D Can you suggest on this thing:
I have just bought Linn Sondek Lp12 (used- with no arm). Do you think is it worth to invest on linn or it is just better to buy a new roksan radius or thorens 160hd? please advise..
 
I don't know specifically about the 1218 but the 1019 DOES have a grounding type mute circuit and I can't believe Dual would have put the contacts in-circuit on their other tables.

Doug
 
I have a Shure M97 on mine, close to the original intent, as the table was designed with a Shure in mind from my understanding. The less than desirable mounting can be improved with "Blue Tack" or the generic substitute I use. Sold as poster to wall mounting putty, never dries. I have removed the chassis springs and added as much mass as I could inside the base. It will track anything under every circumstance with no feed back or skips.
The Shure has better bass than a Grado Black or an Audio Technica with a Shibata stylus I have tried on it. [ The Shibata is a real disappointment IMO ] I like the auto function and it hasn't missed a beat in over three years.
 
Makes me laugh; these people who don't invest in improving the performance of the Dual 1019, and call it a $50 turntable. I've invested around $700 in my Dual 1019, and it sounds better than the Well Tempered Record Player that I had previously. So, no, I wouldn't put a $k cart on a stock Dual 1019, I'd put that money into a solid butcher block plinth, rewiring the arm with Cardas litz, sending it to Fixmydual for a rebuild, etc, then put a $180 Denon dl 110 on it, and your jaw will drop. It sounds better than my $1200 WTRP any day.
 
If your "new" Dual 1019 hasn't been serviced sometime since it was manufactured, you might want to reserve some money for the inevitable. A lot of Dual owners have deepened their bond with their machine from learning how to refurbish them. Also, if you intend to use all of the speeds of your Dual, you may want to chose a cartridge that has good and available stylii for the wider grooves of 78 rpm records, too.

On the other hand, you might want to get one or more spare cartridge holders (a little harder to get for the 1000 series of Duals than for the 1200 series) and use your $1000 to begin a small "stable" of classic cartridges for it: a Pickering/Stanton, a Shure, maybe a Grado or Audiotechnica. Then you can be a stalwart participant in all the AK cartridge comparison discussion threads!
 
stalislawlem said:
Makes me laugh; these people who don't invest in improving the performance of the Dual 1019, and call it a $50 turntable. I've invested around $700 in my Dual 1019, and it sounds better than the Well Tempered Record Player that I had previously. So, no, I wouldn't put a $k cart on a stock Dual 1019, I'd put that money into a solid butcher block plinth, rewiring the arm with Cardas litz, sending it to Fixmydual for a rebuild, etc, then put a $180 Denon dl 110 on it, and your jaw will drop. It sounds better than my $1200 WTRP any day.
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Keep in mind that this is a five year old thread...

Back then, I'm pretty sure that 1019s were a bit more plentiful in the used market, and likely a little cheaper. $50 wasn't at all out of the realm of possibility. I bought mine still packed in foam in the factory carton about 5 years ago (plinth-less of course,) at a thrift store for $14.99. And, I'm sure those deals are still out there...

The 1019 is a pretty capable turntable. I would be hesitant to sink $700 into one, though. To each his own. :yes:
 
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