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Carver TX-11a Thoughts

uxwbill

Lurking in the Shadows
About a month ago, I picked up a Carver TX-11a tuner. The seller stated that it worked well on the FM band, but did not appear to detect AM stereo broadcasts.

When it arrived, I found the AM stereo side of things to work quite well when driven from a low power AM stereo transmitter kit. It also seemed to pick up WLS 890 AM's C-QuAM stereo signal perfectly well. Maybe it got religion after being knocked around in shipping? :D

Having listened to it now for a while, I've got to say that I'm impressed. Most of the listening I've done is on the FM band, though I have listened on AM as well. This tuner does a pretty credible job on both, and unlike many other tuners, AM reception was not just a low-fi afterthought.

Comparing it to the one of the other "outstanding" tuners I own (a Sony XDR-F1HD), the Carver comes awfully close to the performance offered by the Sony when listening on FM. There is no comparison on AM--the Sony is not a hi-fidelity tuner when listening to analog AM broadcasts, and it does not offer C-QuAM stereo broadcast decoding. Like the Sony, the Carver can find FM broadcasts that are barely out there, buried in noise and bring them out, although the Carver doesn't manage the impressive noise filtering of the Sony.

Then again, the difference in technology is quite wide. What Sony does with a DSP the Carver has to do with a large quantity of circuitry. That the performance of the two is so close and the technology so different is remarkable. Thankfully, the Carver tuner seems to be a pretty clean design, and should be fixable if something goes wrong.

Using the additional noise reduction function on FM helps a lot, though having the ability to switch to monophonic reception would be nice. I'm not about to modify the tuner in order to get there, though. What the Multipath Reduction function does can sound odd. If anything, I'd liken it to a crude, simpler version of what I have heard the Sonic Holography unit do. Sometimes it was an improvement, other times I wanted to turn it off.

I decided to do another comparison with a Denon TU-680NAB tuner. I think it fair to put the Denon tuner in roughly the same league as the Carver. Both were engineered to offer a high quality reproduction of radio broadcasts, and both support C-QuAM AM stereo broadcast decoding, at least in theory.

On AM the two were pretty much identical performers. Yet when switched to FM, things were different. The Carver not only found more stations than the Denon, it did so more quietly and stably without necessarily having to engage any of its special signal processing techniques. The only real advantage held by the Denon was its ability to be switched into monophonic reception mode on AM and FM.

Later, I'll do a shootout between the Sony ST-550ES tuner (which has been modified and aligned in recent times) and the Carver. I expect the Sony will compare well with the Carver on FM reception, and the Carver will surely mop the floor with the Sony on AM. Because I have no shortage of audacity, I also plan to do a comparison between the JC Penney MCS 3050 and Carver tuners. :D

In closing, I'd like to hear the thoughts of other AKers who happen to own--or have owned--a Carver TX-11, TX-11a or TX-11b tuner.
 
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Will be interesting to see the end of the shootout. I been using my Sony XDR-F1HD, it fits nicely where I use it space wise and pulls in the stations.
I also have the Carver TX-11a but it hasn't been used in awhile. In fact, its sitting aside on top of my H/K TU-911a.
Have several other tuners garaged because they just didn't cut it for me.
 
I sure like my TX-11a. I am kind of in a hole here and it picks up stations well without an antenna.
 
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Perhaps in the seller's area, there are no AM stereo broadcasts anymore. In Boston,MA area, WBZ no longer broadcasts in AM stereo, no loss since it's either talk or news(Although it can be activated as the stereo light came on during a July 4 Pops concert). I bought the TX-11a mainly because of the multipath reduction feature since reception is a problem in my location and cannot use an outdoor antenna. The multipath feature helps greatly but still the best help is a good directional antenna.
 
I tried buying a Carver TX-11a when they first came out, but the order kept getting delayed due to production problems, so just cancelled and later got a SAE T-101. Just didn't have a good feeling about buying a product with early teething problems. Actually the SAE later croaked too, and have a Marantz PMD800 now. Nice piece, but not much FM worth while around here any more.
 
It took me a few weeks, but I finally got around to it. Figuring that I might as well do the fun one first, I pulled the JC Penney MCS 3050 tuner out of storage and hooked it up.

I hadn't really used the MCS 3050 on FM. It found the most use on the AM band, listening to the occasional stereo broadcast. Other than AM stereo reception capability, the Penney's tuner really doesn't have a lot of high end features. It doesn't pull in distant FM stations like the Carver and Sony HD tuner can. There was a pretty fair amount of noise (HD radio noise) going on while I listened to my radio program. As for the station, its signal is very strong and can be received well.

What the MCS 3050 has got, though, is stereo separation and a nice low end to the sound it puts out. It's got a ton more FM stereo separation than any tuner I know of, other than some late-80s Delco car radios. I suppose that with its wide separation, and no way to reduce it other than by forcing fully monophonic reception, it can't help but relay any noise or corruption of the FM stereo signal.

So...the Carver wins in terms of sheer ability to pull a station out of nowhere. The MCS 3050 wins in terms of stereo separation, with maybe a slight nod given to the decent low end sound it had.
 
And now...

...for the continuation of a thread that goes BUMP in the night, after having forgotten it for a while...

It was well past time to do some more comparisons against the Carver TX-11a. Back some time ago, I bought a modified Sony ST-550ES tuner from another AKer. This tuner had received a full alignment and had some "Blackgate" (IIRC) capacitors installed.

It was a very close race between the stock TX-11a and the modded Sony. I don't know that I could pick a clear winner. I found that the Sony wasn't quite as capable of pulling in weak or questionable stations as the TX-11a. Yet the Sony dealt very well with noise that corrupted the stereo subcarrier by switching to the narrow bandwidth reception option and engaging the high-blend function on top of that. It's also possible to force a switch to monophonic reception only, something the Carver can't do in stock form.

The Sony tuner offers a lot more bass as compared to the Carver. I believe this is partly due to its modified audio path.

The most recent comparision was quite unintentional. I happened to fire up the Sansui 5000X with its built in tuner one night, listening to the radio shows that I usually do. I'd have to say the Sansui's built in analog tuner combined the strengths of both the Carver TX-11a and the Sony ST-550ES. It delivered very clean stereo audio with decent bass.
 
I like this Carver tuner best on AM, it's FM is very good while the AM is superb. I'd love to own one for the AM section alone.
On AM, there is no comparison between the ST-550ES and TX-11a. AM audio on the Sony tuner is very heavily rolled off. It does not decode C-QuAM broadcasts either.

The Sansui 5000X has a pretty decent AM tuner, though it doesn't have a lot of brightness to the sound.
 
I've owned my TX-11 for 30 years. Only problem was a dirty TC501.
Was always impressed with it's performance and sound.
I use a Grove scanner beam on a pole about 25' up, turned with a rotor.
Just sucks in stations.
Don't know what others opinions are, but you may want to try an older tube tuner for AM.
 
I have a tx-11a that is currently in service at my brothers house, he absolutely loves it.I liked it a lot for a while due to its ability to pull in both AM and FM stations from from cities either north or south of me.I found tuners locally that seem to sound better to my ears so I pulled the tx-11a out of service but could not actually part ways with it due to solid performance at grabbing 50+ mile away signals . Thought about putting it in the garage system but was happy to loan it to someone who will enjoy the heck out of it. Definitely a good tuner.
 
Are there any stations in the US still broadcasting using C-QUAM AM Stereo?
Yes. There are one or two within fairly easy listening reach for me. Given that older country music is my thing--and hard to find anywhere on the radio dial--I listen to the first station very often.

Chicago's 890 AM (WLS) also went back to broadcasting in C-QuAM stereo after dropping their HD radio broadcast.

There are some lists online of AM stations that broadcast in stereo. There are more than you might think. I also have a transmitter kit that produces an AM stereo signal.
 
I'm sure they try to keep it accurate and up to date, but I can receive KGVN 1400 in Greenville TX and they ain't in stereo.

I do have a worldwide list of AM Stereo stations on my web site, although the USA listing has not been updated since 2008, and due to Verizon dropping support for directly uploading HTML content anymore (at least not without paying extra for their web hosting), I haven't been able to make any updates to the site at all in the past year or so. But nonetheless the web site still remains accessible:

http://AMStereo.s5.com/
 
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