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Classe vs. McIntosh

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Classe blows. If you want Classe, buy it. I don't care what professionals say about the Mc252. This is a Mc forum. End of discussion.
 
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mdonda said:
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3. I did respond to your questions and told you I used the 8 ohm tap and did try the 4 ohm tap without a difference. I also told you I was using the B&W 683s.
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I think you should try with higher end B&W speaker. Let's say 802 Diamond?
 
From previous posts it seems a Mac amp was purcased at a 20% discount and the salesperson started planting seeds of doubt. Go figure. A common practice to recoup profit and commissions.
 
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What speakers are you using with the Mac? I know a lot of people run B&W speakers with Mac, but it may not be the best match for me. I know the speakers will make a difference.
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Mcintosh XR200 with my MC501s. I am a big fan of B&W speakers. I chose Mcintosh speakers over them only because Mcintosh has pitch accurate full range bass at the price point I am buying. Most of the other companies charge you a fortune for speakers that only go down somewhere into the high 30hz range. At least with the XR200,though expensive, I am getting the full audible frequency range and then some:banana:. Still B&W speakers and a good sub or even better two, hey I would do it. I think Classe makes great amps and B&W great speakers. Mcintosh IMO is just extremely competitive with any audio company in the world when it comes to both sound quality and engineering.
 
I had a couple of sales guys that came to me from used car sales and the crap they would try to play on customers was just unbelievable. Get the customers money on a big discount and then cut the discounted product down to sell something else at full boat!
 
c_dk said:
I had a couple of sales guys that came to me from used car sales and the crap they would try to play on customers was just unbelievable. Get the customers money on a big discount and then cut the discounted product down to sell something else at full boat!
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None issue. I returned the Mac (not a classe dealer) and bought a classe from a completely different dealer/city. To me the overall sound of the classe is better. But think whatever makes you feel better.

On a side note. Have you checked out the Absolute Sound 2011 High End Audio Buyer's Guide. Not a single Mcintosh product. The classe delta series was not mentioned either, but at least one classe products was...the omega poweramp.
 
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Two years ago I was working for a Classe dealer and trying to find reasons for my McIntosh customers, for the previous 30 years, to consider Classe. Go figure.
 
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I can not fathom how Classe could design an amplifier at this price point that reduces power into 4ohm loads. Usually AV receivers do this or cheaper amplifiers.
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A 5 x 300watt (@ 8 ohm) amplifier is going to be drawing more than 1500 watts from the wall at full power output if the amplifier is 100% efficient, which it is definitely not. A 4 ohm load would simply pop the breaker in your fuse panel if Classe did not design the amplifier the way they did.

I could be wrong about this, but I don't think so. :scratch2:
 
Apologies if I missed the detail on the speakers. Now that you've brought it to my attention, the OP's "lack of bass" and "brightness" observations are fully explained, but the mystery of what the OP is after here is made worse.

B&W 683s are the L & R portions of an HT system, which crosses over at 80 Hz to the ASW610 Subwoofer.

From a review in Ultimate AV Mag.com (http://www.ultimateavmag.com/content/bw-683-surround-speaker-system-page-2):

"What the B&W sub does do is blend beautifully with the 683s to the point where the overall bass performance simply appeared to be great bass coming from a pair of modest, floor-standing speakers—a result that might embarrass more than a few systems selling for several times the price of the 683s and a single ASW610...

Highs
• Clean, open, transparent sound
• Excellent dynamic capability
• [Sub]Woofer gets the job done while rarely calling attention to itself

Lows
• Can be a little unforgiving of bright-sounding program material, particularly on two-channel music playback"

It wouldn't matter what amp you hooked up to these, they're not full-range speakers, and don't extend into deep bass. They're naturally bright.

As you've already made your purchase from the Classe dealer, having returned the Mc amp, there's little point to continuing this debate.
 
mdonda said:
... On a side note. Have you checked out the Absolute Sound 2011 High End Audio Buyer's Guide. Not a single Mcintosh product. The classe delta series was not mentioned either, but at least one classe products was...the omega poweramp.
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Well, you've certainly convinced me you hate all Mc gear, all the way to te point of citing complete irrelevancies to slander the brand.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but you're not entitled to troll in this forum. Subtle trolling is still trolling.

Thread closed. The OP should consider this a first warning.
 
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