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DCM TimePiece - A new project

Well, here it is! Non conclusive, but compelling evidence that all those minor differences in T/S parameters don't mean much when it comes to actual measurable performance. Are there some differences? Yes there are. Are they significant? Not really, and both speakers sound remarkably exactly the same to my golden ears.

Some things to note:

1) Both speakers demonstrate the same type of gradual drop off below about 80 Hz and a slight bump around 65 Hz. The AR woofer seems to dip and bump a little less than the DCM one. Interesting.

2) Overall, the AR woofer seems to react better to this enclosure than the DCM one. The response from 100 Hz to 500Hz exhibits the same general dips and peaks +/- 3dB, but the AR woofer doesn't quite hit those extremes as much as the original. Interesting.

3) At the crossover point, the AR woofer does seem to interact with the tweeter differently. There's a more pronounced and wider dip at the crossover point than with the other speaker. I have to say, I can't really hear it, but it's there if you really hone in on the upper range of a piano or a harp. I don't find it distracting and in fact I actually like it more than the original. I think there's a phase anomaly happening at the crossover, but for some reason the phase feature on REW is not working today.

So, in essence, these AR woofers are a very suitable replacement for the originals. In fact, they may even exhibit more civilized behavior. Not sure what I will do with them when I am done

Hope you enjoyed the journey!

Full response of the AR woofer.

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Bass response for the AR woofer

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Bass response DCM woofer

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Crossover with AR woofer

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Crossover with DCM woofer.

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Hi, such a great discussion on these Time Piece speakers. I just picked up a pair of these with some kind of goo or silicone on the fabric.
You had the speakers all apart but I didn't see how the tops or bottom came off. I will need to replace the cloth. Can you share how the tops and bottom panels come off so I can replace the fabric. Thanks.
 
Too bad I haven't been on AK for a while or I would have seen this. I have a DCM mid-woof left over from my Timewindow rebuild.
 
Too bad I haven't been on AK for a while or I would have seen this. I have a DCM mid-woof left over from my Timewindow rebuild.


Heather James (hjames) has these speakers now and may want the extra woofer if it's a match. I suggest you reach out to her.
 
Just a point to bring up. In the first post by OP he said these were the same driver as the 250s and 275. I had a 275 and it had foam surrounds, not rubber surrounds as seen in photos later in the thread. As far as I know all 6" drivers used after the 350 had rubber surrounds.
 
Just a point to bring up. In the first post by OP he said these were the same driver as the 250s and 275. I had a 275 and it had foam surrounds, not rubber surrounds as seen in photos later in the thread. As far as I know all 6" drivers used after the 350 had rubber surrounds.

I’ve seen both. My TF350 had foam surrounds but the magnet was much larger than this example. Like most manufacturers, DCM often changed suppliers and part numbers during production runs.
 
Thanks for this thread I appreciate it because I am restoring a pair of Time Piece speakers and this helped me with my project. The biggest problem or should I say question was if they were supposed to be wrapped around with the head liner or not. I having seen the unit being restored until now and I don’t know how I missed this thread in my search.

By the way how many Drivers do the TF 600 have i knew that it had a couple tweeters but I was under the impression that it was a 3 way design , but it was looking on Reverb and I saw a TF600 with a coaxial DCM style and looks like 3 8” Drivers. I have fell in love with the DCM speakers and I now own 4 TF 350s , a pair of CX 17 a pair of CX 07 plus 1 a 2 pair of CX 007 and the Time Pieces. I will be using them in my Home Theater setup and the CX07s will be used along with a DCM TB 1212 subwoofer for the kitchen setup, and I am always looking for TW or other DCM speakers from the 70s to around 2003 and this TF 600 don’t look like any DCM speakers that I have ever seen.

Now for the other reason I’m here for is fine out if anyone has ever built a center channel speaker to match the TF350s I have 2 6.5 speakers from the CX 27s which I read that they are the same as the TFs and I have a vifa 20d tweeter that also was used in the 350 but my goal is to also use a 2.5 onkyo full range driver for mids and I have 2 350 crossovers and a CX Center channel crossover that is very close to the CX07 crossover and I know that I will have to mod the crossover which is why I am leaning towards the center crossover. Any help or thoughts will be appreciated and I will keep you posted on the TP restoration and the completion.

Thank you all for your future help.
 
CX 007 is a new on me. Rev H, would you mind dropping a picture or a full description, or both in this thread for a little bit of education for us. Many thanks.
 
DCM CX007s
 

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I just came by a pair of TimePieces that’s in rough shape physically but all drivers work in one speaker and only the woofer works in the other. What is the replacement part for the tweeter ? Would an original still be available ? An internet search brings up all types of unmanageable results. TIA
 
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