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DIY TUBE PREAMP HELP PLEASE

I'm not saying that 12AU7s are bad but 6SN7s are widely considered to be better. Frankly, you just seem to be in a rush with all this. Take some time to do research, ask about tube amps for your particular headphones on some of the headphone forums. I have no idea when Stephe will post about the preamps. But since she posted a preview video about it recently I assume it won't be all that long a wait. If you're patient and do some more research you'll probably end up with something that works better for you in the end.

What is it about her headphone adapter box that you don't like?
 
Yes, i guess I'm a little bit in a hurry :banana::banana:. Your right i will just chill out and wait for her video and see where it goes. Many amps will work with HD650, but tube amps are by far the best for HD650. I'm trying to avoid buying just a tube amp for my headphones UNLESS IT CAN be used as a preamp also, then I'm fine with it. I dont want to end up with headphone amp, tube preamp, plus a regular amp. So its find a good tube headphone amp that has pre amp ability, or tube pre amp with regular amp with good headphone jack..................Ok im going into full research mode and see what i can find on the headphone amp end, going to some forums and poke around. I will wait for Stephe video and then make a informed decison. Sorry i get a little ahead of myslelf and im really ready to use my headphone to there fullest.

Headphone box im not sold on, she did reply to me and said I THINK ALL OHMS SHOULD WORK, not sounding totally sure. I not sold on it for some reason, never even heard of one or know anybody using one, that dont mean it dont work, guess im not convinced.
 
Many amps will work with HD650, but tube amps are by far the best for HD650. I'm trying to avoid buying just a tube amp for my headphones UNLESS IT CAN be used as a preamp also, then I'm fine with it. I dont want to end up with headphone amp, tube preamp, plus a regular amp. So its find a good tube headphone amp that has pre amp ability, or tube pre amp with regular amp with good headphone jack. . . . Headphone box im not sold on, she did reply to me and said I THINK ALL OHMS SHOULD WORK, not sounding totally sure. I not sold on it for some reason, never even heard of one or know anybody using one, that dont mean it dont work, guess im not convinced.
It certainly makes sense for you not to duplicate your efforts.

The specs for the HD650s say their impedance is 300 ohms. I would post the schematic of the adapter box on a headphone forum and ask for confirmation that it will work with a 300 ohm load. If it's not ideal as shown, I'm sure a couple of parts values can be changed to optimize it. An amp with a headphone jack will have similar circuitry in it, just not in a separate box. Her project just allows you to add that capability without buying a new amp.

You might also do some additional research on the design, which is not something that Stephe came up with, she just built it. A wider search will likely turn up other similar designs.

https://www.skunkiedesigns.com/headphone

If you DIY and use point to point there is no reason why you can't incorporate the headphone interface (whichever one is suitable) into the same chassis as a tube amp. And, if you only ever intend to use that one amp, you can incorporate the preamp section into the same chassis. This is what's known as an integrated amp.

Most tube amps include a preamp section although some may require an additional, external, preamp in order to drive the amp to full power output. Of course, full power means nothing when it comes to headphones because they need so little power. Half a watt (500mW) will probably give you permanent hearing damage.

And even with speakers there's no meaningful difference between, say 75% and full power in most real world situations. The difference is 1db of output with the amp turned up all the way. With most amps, under normal listening conditions, you don't run an amp at max output so the difference in volume is like what you'd hear if you leaned forward in your chair.

My computer room is 11x11, just barely smaller than the room you described earlier. I use USB from my computer to a DAC and then to my DIY Bugle 45 SET, which is only about 2wpc. The volume control on the amp is typically at around 9:00 to 10:00 and never higher than 12:00 for any extended time.

I built the Boogie Factor because I wanted a preamp that could be used with a variety of amps but the primary target was the Voice of Music SE 6BQ5 console amp whose original preamp section was connected by an umbilical. I didn't have the preamp part, only the amp. So I modded the amp so it could be used with any external preamp and built the Boogie Factor. I use the same amp with the little Nobsound E6. And, as I've explained, it can actually operate without any preamp, though it produces less power like that, probably similar to my Bugle (?).

That's the amp that Stephe built and uses to test preamps. Because there is no preamp tube on the amp chassis it lets you hear the external preamp without any influence from other tubes.

If you plan on using a variety of power amps you could use a separate preamp, Iike I do with the Boogie Factor and the E6, but if you only plan on using one amp everything you're looking for (preamp, amp with speaker outputs and headphone capability) could be built into a single chassis.
 
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I emailed Steph to see when her shootout videos coming. The Sennheiser HD 650 full of power the more power you feed them the better they sound you need an amp with at least 500 mw, I have tried amps with only 300 it just doesn't you can get volume but it doesn't drive them to get the best sound out of them and the Sennheiser HD 650 love tubes they get their best sound by two without tubes I don't really care for the sound that much but you put tubes on it and they come alive.

I really think a headphone amp that's first designed as a headphone amp but can also be used as a preamp it's probably my best bet I listen to headphones probably half the time and listen to speakers half the time. Some headphone amps that have preamp outputs can serve as a good preamp now you kind of kill it all in one stone.

There is an amp that I want to try Little Dot mark 2 supposed to be a fantastic camp for headphones and works good as a preamp it's been around since 2011 you can pick one up for $125 worth a try has a huge following.
 
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There is an amp that I want to try Little Dot mark 2 supposed to be a fantastic camp for headphones and works good as a preamp it's been around since 2011 you can pick one up for $125 worth a try has a huge following.
The little FX preamp uses the same preamp tubes so the preamp section likely sounds similar. The FX is one that Stephe will be testing.

Looks like they've combined that with an OTL headphone amp. Certainly cheap enough so even if you don't like it you won't be out much. Combined with a small Class D and you'll have a nice compact system for ~$200.

Are these known for running hot? I saw one review that mentioned that the manufacturer says not to run it for more than 6 hours at a time.
 
I ordered one $120 it's on the way take it for a spin see how it does.

I guess that amp the Little Dot you can roll all kinds of tubes there's switches on the circuit board that you could switch for gain and to change to families give me interesting. The only problem is it doesn't look like it has a whole lot of power I think it's only about 350 MW maybe 400 which will be real close don't know if it'll drive my headphones but we'll see.

You know what I could do if that headphone amp works out as a preamp I can buy a Nelson pass amp camp it's on DIY audio for $330 I heard it sounds amazing what several videos on it looks like a great little kit very high quality.
 
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It's nice that it will drive most amything headphone wise. I s3e wome used shielded two conductor mic wire for the input and output. It's kind of thick, but does help keep noise out. I usually tie the shielding to the ground at the jack end, and don't connect the shield at the other end. You can buy it by the foot at Partsexpress. I have some on order right now for a passive preamp build I'm collecting parts for.
 
Yeah it looks like a nice amp that DIY audio store it's got a lot of nice little projects for sale I'm going to have to build some of those I noticed a lot of it's class a.

I noticed those Nelson passed amp camp amp for $347 gets really good reviews and I heard when you run them in a monoblock situation they're exceptionally good. That's definitely a kit I would like to build.
 
Got my Little dot MK II today, wow it sounds very good, might be a keeper. I want to show you guys the schematic and see what parts i could change to make it sound better?
 

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So I think after listening to the amp basically all night sounds pretty damn good for $100 amp. I ordered a couple different tubes for it. I think I'm going to take it apart see if I can upgrade any of the parts and then I'm going to put it in my own case I'm going to take it out of its own case and put it in a real nice case and maybe make this my preamp.

I haven't tried it as a preamp yet although it's supposed to work as a preamp but as far as a headphone amp it's pretty decent.
 
The GE JAN 5654W is a great sub for the EF95 tube. I use them in a small tube headphone amp/preamp. I think the Chinese 6N6 is a dual triode I think? Not the same as an American 6N6.
 
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Yeah I'm switching the front tubes the rear tubes I haven't figured out what to switch those with doesn't seem like a lot of people actually switch those.

I also heard these tubes are excellent. Voshkod 6ZH1P
 
It's nice that it has a line level out. The one I have has a line level out also.
I'm using it right now as a preamp fir one of the snall systems near my bench. It has the GE tubes for the drivers and single ended SS output. It sounds really good too.
 

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That's what I'm looking to make it a preamp and my headphone amp probably 50% on both sides. I just don't like the case that it's in I don't like the look of it so I'm going to get it and put all the stuff into a new case build a nice wood box around it.
 
Got my Little dot MK II today, wow it sounds very good, might be a keeper. I want to show you guys the schematic and see what parts i could change to make it sound better?
I just don't like the case that it's in I don't like the look of it so I'm going to get it and put all the stuff into a new case build a nice wood box around it.
If you want to upgrade parts / mod it this thread should cover it:

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/little-dot-mk-ii-rebuild.933415/

@drteming also posts here on AK, BTW. He's posted about some of his tube amp builds on the Show us your flea-watts amps! thread and he does great work!

He also makes some comments about the Little Dot Mkii in this thread:

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/review-of-the-little-dot-mkii-tube-headphone-amp-pre-amp.284835/

If you plan on doing significant upgrades, I'd suggest that you start a new thread about the Little Dot in the Tube forum.

For some reason the DIY forum on AK seems to mostly be about minor repairs and SS. There doesn't seem to be much here that deals with DIY builds from scratch or extensive mods and very little to do with tubes. The AK Headphone forum doesn't seem to be very technically oriented either, from what I can see, it's mostly posts asking for gear recommendations.

Because of this, you'll likely get more attention and many more informed responses in the Tube forum.
 
Thanks for some of those links I was aware of some of them but not all of them. Looks like there's just tons of tubes you can change.

The guy that modded it he mentions all the things that he changed I just need to figure out where those things are located on the circuit board.
 
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