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Dual 1019 vs. Dual 1229

I've had two 1019s and love the rhythmic and peppy sound they produce. I tire of them because I don't like the cramped deck with 10" platter, but on sound alone they are awesome.
 
I never understood the problem some have with the smaller platter on the 1019. The sound is great. How would a larger platter make it better? Or is it simply a matter of cosmetics? I personally think there is no table in the Dual line that sounds or looks better than the 1019, although I like the 1009 a lot too.
 
Let me help you understand my perspective. The 10" platter and tight proximity of the tonearm and controls was awkward for my working mans hands and too tight for me to enjoy using.
 
JohnMac said:
That's a good way to put it Isotonic. I have two 1019's and a 1229 (as well as a 1009 in a mono system). I like the full sized platter and the strobe on the 1229 but I think I enjoy listening to the 1019 more. It would be a tough call if I were forced to choose between the two.
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Old thread but a follow up.

A couple of years ago I sold a 1009 to a friend. He deals in vinyl and needed something durable and able to play 78s. He started having trouble with it so I took it in to repair and loaned him my 1019 to use in the meantime, I quit working on Duals a while back and just sold all of my spare parts. I was getting frustrated trying to get this one right and asked him if he'd like to trade it in for the 1019 which he did.

So, I guess that made up my mind. I still have the 1229 but I think I'm going to miss the 1019. There is just just something special about it. :(
 
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The 1019 is still my favorite TT. I'm glad I have held on to it. Also, I have picked up a few cartridge sleds and I now have a handful of different cartridge/stylus combinations that I can swap out easily.

There is nothing I don't like about the 1019.
 
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Bill at Fixmydual likes the 1019 best. I have never owned the 1219 but have owned the 1019. I sold it because I could never get over the record hanging over the platter. Just a personal thing....[/QUOTE
AudioSoul said:
Bill at Fixmydual likes the 1019 best. I have never owned the 1219 but have owned the 1019. I sold it because I could never get over the record hanging over the platter. Just a personal thing....
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No I don’t. 1229 in a heartbeat.
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sberger said:
I never understood the problem some have with the smaller platter on the 1019. The sound is great. How would a larger platter make it better? Or is it simply a matter of cosmetics? I personally think there is no table in the Dual line that sounds or looks better than the 1019, although I like the 1009 a lot too.
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How do you compare dual 1019 against Sony 2251+SME? I am curious about your experience since I have one Sony 2251+SME tonearm combo as well.
 
dmadmc said:
How do you compare dual 1019 against Sony 2251+SME? I am curious about your experience since I have one Sony 2251+SME tonearm combo as well.
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Both wonderful tables. I sold off my 1019(although if a nice clean one was available locally for a good price I could see owning one again) awhile ago in favor of the last idler(and auto) table I have, a Miracord 50HII. It, like the 2251 has adjustable speed which I like. I'm not anal about it, but it's a nice add on. The 2251 is super nice, but I think the main difference which gives it an edge is the SME arm on it. The combo of table and arm makes it hard to beat. Of course it doesn't spin 78's, which the 1019 does in the event that, like me, you own and play them. The 1019 had a little more of the idler drive and thump which I love, as does the Miracord. It's why I will probably always own an idler of some sort.
 
AudioSoul said:
Bill at Fixmydual likes the 1019 best. I have never owned the 1219 but have owned the 1019. I sold it because I could never get over the record hanging over the platter. Just a personal thing....
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A 1229 while superb, is also much more complex under the hood. Once cleaned, lubricated, and adjusted correctly, a joy to own and use. That said, the Dual 1019 I agree with Bill about being Dual's supreme achievement in terms of sheer build and engineering, with the 1009 being second place. I am enjoying my Dual 1019 greatly, and often. It simply put, makes music and delightful to own, operate, and listen to.
 
Bohhey, I listen to good advice. A Dual 1019 lives in my Mom's living room in Oak Ridge, TN. A Sansui 4000 drives Phase Tech Euro Monitor loudspeakers. There's a Technics cassette deck also. All enjoyed and beloved. Dualcan (Klaus Adlhoch) on Vinyl Engine also loves the 1019.
 
I am going to be doing a shootout between my dual 1019 and a 1219 I just recently got. It should be interesting. I can't start until the 1219 comes back from my tech, but I'll let you know how it goes. The winner will be going into my 1959 built console for the bedroom system. The loser will be set free.
 
1219/1229 for sound quality, 1019 for looks, build & general awesomeness. The worst part about 1019 is probably the motor - at least on mine it takes a good 30 minutes to get up to speed and stabilize, which is a bummer on a full auto TT where you would expect it to be ready to go whenever. Other than that I like the 1019 motor better, it seems somehow just a bit more robust and maybe it's sample to sample variation but I never heard a 1219/1229 that was as silent in use. I had 3 of those and all of them seemed prone to a bit of whirring noise that I wasn't able to completely get rid of despite good clean and relube. The 1019 arm is probably better than you'd expect, but it is a bit colored and the biggest source for that special super exciting 1019 sound. 1219/1229 is more relaxed, natural and truer to recording.

All that said, I'd still take 1019 over 1219/1229 any day, simply because.
 
muovimies said:
1219/1229 for sound quality, 1019 for looks, build & general awesomeness. The worst part about 1019 is probably the motor - at least on mine it takes a good 30 minutes to get up to speed and stabilize, which is a bummer on a full auto TT where you would expect it to be ready to go whenever. Other than that I like the 1019 motor better, it seems somehow just a bit more robust and maybe it's sample to sample variation but I never heard a 1219/1229 that was as silent in use. I had 3 of those and all of them seemed prone to a bit of whirring noise that I wasn't able to completely get rid of despite good clean and relube. The 1019 arm is probably better than you'd expect, but it is a bit colored and the biggest source for that special super exciting 1019 sound. 1219/1229 is more relaxed, natural and truer to recording.

All that said, I'd still take 1019 over 1219/1229 any day, simply because.
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Have you tried refreshing the motor? Disassemble, clean, lube? That might help with the speed.
 
BilboBaggins said:
Have you tried refreshing the motor? Disassemble, clean, lube? That might help with the speed.
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Yeah, no difference. It doesn't have a strobo or any way to see the speed in realtime, I wouldn't be surprised if they were all like that more or less, without people just noticing. It slowly creeps up to speed, if I recall correctly 1 album side is not quite enough, but by the end of side B it's up to speed and from there on it's stable. I couldn't see anything wrong with it and it's mechanically very silent. 12xx series have synchronous motors I think, at least 1219&1229, they are always locked to line freq. It's been a few years since I played around with the Duals. I still have the 1019 but it's not seeing any use, I like it but I like other TTs even better... I have replinthed it into a heavy plinth and made an armboard for it so I could use an external arm, it was my no1 player for a while, I just made sure to let it spin for 30 minutes if I was going to have a listening session. It was ok for that, but as a casual table I would want it up to speed right away.
 
muovimies said:
Yeah, no difference. It doesn't have a strobo or any way to see the speed in realtime, I wouldn't be surprised if they were all like that more or less, without people just noticing. It slowly creeps up to speed, if I recall correctly 1 album side is not quite enough, but by the end of side B it's up to speed and from there on it's stable. I couldn't see anything wrong with it and it's mechanically very silent. 12xx series have synchronous motors I think, at least 1219&1229, they are always locked to line freq. It's been a few years since I played around with the Duals. I still have the 1019 but it's not seeing any use, I like it but I like other TTs even better... I have replinthed it into a heavy plinth and made an armboard for it so I could use an external arm, it was my no1 player for a while, I just made sure to let it spin for 30 minutes if I was going to have a listening session. It was ok for that, but as a casual table I would want it up to speed right away.
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Funny the stories you see here on Duals. Heard the speed issue on 1019s. Had one with that issue. All the rest of my 1009s and 1019s started up nice. A good cleaning and lube ready to go.

As far as motor noise on 1219/1229s my two 1219s are quiet. Have an early and late version. Did have to service the motor after 5 yrs on one of them. Came apart easily since it had been done before. Twenty minutes and done. Did that three years ago.

This brings me to my 1229. Had a rare motor failure. Call it my hybrid 1229. Used the bearings from it and the windings from a 1019. Had plenty of time when we were shut down due to COVID. The motor runs. Has a little whine to it and take about 5 to 10 seconds to get up to speed. Once going the speed is dead on. Lives in my shop. Kind of proud of this one. Lives in my shop. Found a German built drop door base for it. Have tried 3 bases on it.

Have no problems with the 1000 series Duals but I am married to my 1200 Duals. Sure glad I got these when I did. Prices are going up. Can’t believe what JBL, Marantz, and Dual stuff is going for. Only need one more thing. A Marantz 2245.

Eric
 
Interesting. I have both the 1019 and the 1219 and love them both. I am afraid my ears are not longer good enough to tell subtle differences between components but with the same cartridge they both sounded the same to me. And not to start an internet war between Dual repairers but Doctor Dual, here in Ontario, Canada says on his website, "The Dual 1019 without doubt is duals finest turntable they ever built. Over the years I’ve had the opportunity to try out almost every dual turntable made and the 1019 has remained in my home reference system for over twenty years."
Harry
 
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Update: Have three systems. All Marantz. Today each have a 1219. Still have my 1219 from 2014 that I redid the motor years back. Still nothing since. Only got a V15 III with a Jico. Picked two 1219 since my last post here. Got the bug for a 1019. Found one for $20. Crappy base that I later refinished. Had it in my LR system. Works but I have to start manually as it stops on auto start when the arm drops. Ran until a got another with a big German built base. Using that. A some point I’ll get to it. Don’t know FMD tosses a 1019 out?? Have three Duals hooked in my LR. 1219/Shure V15 III with a VR35HE (original), a 1019/Shure M44, and a 1009SK/Shure M91ED. The 1019 and 1009SK were unplanned. Though my 1219 has a very slight edge sound wise, these 1000 series are no slouch. Sound great, speed dead on. I expect these will out last me. Serviced all of them. Need to do the spark caps on the 1219 and 1019. Unfortunately I have them in a TV cabinet. FMD doesn’t like 1015s either. My second one. Got it because it has a nice base and bread box cover. Serviced it. On my bench system with a 1219 and another 1009SK. Sounds good even with a smaller motor. Nice thing about that motor, it comes apart easily!
 
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