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Enter the Giant Slayer - Andrew Jones Pioneer Speakers

Had a pair of the 22 bookshelves. Just OK. if buying new one of the best giant slaying small speakers that i have heard and will never sell if i can help it are the KEF q150. They are soooooo good for just a bit more money when they are on sale. That being said you did well on the used market.
 
I’ve got the complete set and the center suffers from the noisy cabinet. I did the simple Dennis Murphy mod(there are 2 mods, the lessor option is to completely damp the box, replace the tweeter and add a cap to the existing crossover).

This really brought the center into its own with the vita tweeter( now owned by Peerless). With the mods, the center is quite decent, so I performed the same mod on the towers.

Again, this really improved their sound. More open, and quite good bass for towers that retail under 250. In fact, I can say that the fs 52 with the mod out performs my old Paradigm monitor 7 V3 I owned for about a decade. The bass alone without mods was better than the $700 Paradigms. Easily.

would you mind sharing the exact changes you made to the towers? Or pointing me to a thread about it? I haven’t been able to find any info on modding the towers! I did the center mod (replaced tweeter and also replaced crossover components with higher quality caps and added the cap/resistor) and have found it to be a bit muffled. I’m still interested in attempting an upgrade on the towers.
 
I have the SP-FS52 floorstanders. They sound great to me and they're small for floorstanders, which is exactly what I need in this space. I get enough bass from them that I don't really need a sub. I got rid of the fake wood bases they come with and put them on some T-shaped steel bases filled with sand. In addition to giving them a better contact with the floor, it raised the speakers up about 2 inches.

I will say, they do need a lot of power. No problem since I have a 170 WPC power amp. But they don't match up too well with AVRs or smaller receivers. They didn't sound too good with my little NAD 7225. They played loud enough but with no dynamics. With the big Yamaha amp though, they can pound if you ask them to.

I've been through a lot of speakers the last couple years. But these sound extraordinary to me and I honestly don't feel the need to look at speakers anymore. I am not going to make claims about them being giant killers or whatever, but for the kinds of music I listen to, in the space I have to listen, I just don't need anything more - which is a little bit frustrating because, at the same time, I also have an urge to buy ****. LOL
 
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Well I gave the Pioneer's to my son several years ago. It has been awhile since I have heard them but looking forward to hearing them when we go to visit next week for Christmas!
 
After living with a pair of the Andrew Jones Pioneer SP BS 21LR speakers I will never trust anything that Jones puts his name on again. Pioneer should never have released this speaker. Google the online reviews if you don't believe me.
 
I have the BS-22's and the Dayton B652 Airs. Got the BS-22's on sale at Best Buy for $100. They both play in my study on a rotating basis. Love them both!

I also have the Dayton B652 Airs, bought them for the fun of it... thought they sounded good new, now sound way better. Those mid woofers resolve mid range way better after a bunch of hours of use. I've never had a set of speakers change sound so much. That said the cabs are very thin and the mids and lows are still average. I like the tweeter, smooth and good. These started me on a little diversion into small, more modern 2 ways and I stumbled across a Brand I really like now and seeking those out. Finding the pin point coharency of a good small stand mount 2 way and sub is fun to listen to and the imaging is amazing.
 
I also have the Dayton B652 Airs, bought them for the fun of it... thought they sounded good new, now sound way better. Those mid woofers resolve mid range way better after a bunch of hours of use. I've never had a set of speakers change sound so much. That said the cabs are very thin and the mids and lows are still average. I like the tweeter, smooth and good. These started me on a little diversion into small, more modern 2 ways and I stumbled across a Brand I really like now and seeking those out. Finding the pin point coharency of a good small stand mount 2 way and sub is fun to listen to and the imaging is amazing.
I bought a pair for my son to use for near field listening. They aren't ad for the money. I bought a pair of the BR-1 kits for myself efore the price went up a bit.
I've been pretty happy with them. The top end is smooth and detailed. The midrange and low end are decent also. Very easy to listen to for hours.
 
Had a pair of the 22 bookshelves. Just OK. if buying new one of the best giant slaying small speakers that i have heard and will never sell if i can help it are the KEF q150. They are soooooo good for just a bit more money when they are on sale. That being said you did well on the used market.
I know this is a old thread but I am going to revise my report on these speakers. I have spent more time with them and starting to appreciate them more. I still love KEFQ150, but these pioneers, do have pretty good clarity and impressive bass in smaller rooms. I sold my first pair and now picked up a second pair. For the size of the woofer, the bass is mighty impressive.
 
I’ve had a pair in a second system and would say they are a great value, very enjoyable to listen to over time. I truly believe these are the ‘good old days’ with great products like these available for not a lot of money, and streaming services bringing the world’s music to your home for less than $0.50 a day.
 
I know that time marches on but a good speaker is a good speaker whether it's 1981 or 2023. With that said, the BS22's have aged very well in that they still sound great (especially given the price) and look great with the curved cabinet. I see that ebay prices for used ones are now more than we paid for new ones toward the end of their life cycle.

Pioneer should not have stopped making these. Heck, I'd still recomnend them if they were available for around $100 new.

It's a shamed that AJ's good inexpensive designs are now long gone (original Debut B5 and B6, Pioneer BS22 and BS41). All we have left are the last Elacs and they are either $500+ or just not pleasant (the Debut .2 series).
 
This thread is going on and on about how cheap the sp-fs52 are. Knowone is considering the electronics that they are using. Now I'm thing these are being judged a little hard. I've been in the hifi industry for 45 plus years and had some not so expensive gear and lots of very high end gear in my audio journey. I've owned Sonus Faber, JBL L300, Anthony Galos 3.1 and so many others. Now I'm not saying they are a high end speaker, BUT I bought a used pair for my bedroom system for my girlfriend. I also listened to them in my main rig. Which is pretty high end stuff. My system is mostly Bryston gear, preamp and Dac. The amp I used to listen to these on is pretty rare, and world class. That's all I have to say about that. While I know these were not designed for a high end system as such, I was curious on how they would perform on high end system. I have them about 7.5' apart and my listening position is about 10.5' away. All cables are all all from high end companies and some made from myself. I listen to anything from PF, jazz, blues, 70s..Kinda everything. No country!! Lol So anyway I started up my listening session with PF ( The Wall). The speakera we're smooth and fairly deep bass from 3 5.25" drivers. The midrange and highs were very well balanced. Nothing seemed to stand out or EQd. The top end was a tad rolled off which I liked. If your not going to high quality parts like a tweeter. Then it's better to roll it off a tad. Better rolled off then bright! Jazz, sounded musical and engaging but I did feel they sounded thin. Or at times. My total rig without spks is up there in several thousands of dollars. NO I'm not bragging, I'm just stating a fact, that's all. My bedroom system is just a vintage receiver and blu-ray. That's it! On that system they sound....well ok. But to be perfectly honest in my main rig they sounded closer to 400 or even 600. Dollar speaker. I'm actually using them as we speak unit I buy what I want. Getting back to the music. I played several tracks of acoustic guitar and while they did sound, unfortunately they fell short a little. The plucks from the strings were set back some. Not sure why but it was. The vocals remained pretty nice, smooth not forward or resested. The bass not where deep, for a speaker of this size and price point. For me It was ..well satisfying. Vanessa Fernandez (Here but I'm gone) sounded nothing short of fantastic. I guess I should have mentioned this was listen to through Tidal then sent to 3k DAC. I also switched over to Spotify which we all know is mp3. But again the sound was not as good but for the entry level guy getting his feet wet into audio there is nothing wrong with these speakers. Now usually speakers are the most important part of any high fi system, I don't see any reason for these speakers to be paired with a little bit better electronics. Not a cheap Sony, or others alike. Because if you do, you won't be happy. There is plentiful of reasonable price gear out there that would sound good on these speakers. Adcom, some rotel, even some oder Hafler amps from the 70s and 80. I really don't think that would be an overkill for the pioneers in discussion. I can't tell you how much there were new but my guess is around $300 bucks give or take. I cannot see how any complain about these speaker for the given price. Before my test I added some polly fill to the inside of the cabinets and placed them on spiked stands. People forget the most important thing about any speaker. It's called synergy.
 
Now THAT'S a wall of text!!!

Still enjoying my BS-41's and 22's as well.
I have used my BS-41s for near field listening for many years. I enjoy them quite a bit. I like the build quantity at this price level and the neutral (to me) SQ.
 
I drive a pair of FS51 towers with a 125wpc Soundcraftsmen power amp. They do like some power before they really start to sound good. AJ designed these speakers to sound good with music, first, even though they were going to be marketed as HT speakers. His reasoning was that if they could do music well, they'd also do HT well, and the reverse is not always true. There were major tradeoffs to meet the price point, that's both obvious, and no secret. But overall, I think the first series towers are really quite decent music speakers, in a smaller room.
 
This is a random Necro bump, but my friend just gave me a set of the Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers, 4 x SP-FS52, 2 x SP-BS22-LR, and the SP-C22. I'm currently running a SVS sub with a the 5 piece Jamo S803 set. I plugged up two of the floor standing Pioneers and the Center channel yesterday, and with the SVS sub, it sounds better than the Jamo S803 on a quick listen? I don't know if that's just me ears liking something new or what. I kinda figure both sets are on par with each other, so not sure which to keep. But they were at least free!
 
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