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ESS AMT1D restoration-pictures

Hey, a big thanks to all that gave me the :thmbsp: on this project. I appreciate the comments. If there are any of you die-hard ESS AMT1 or AMT1x owners in need of a grille recover or refinishing tips, I'll be more than happy to assist you.. The older style grilles are a HUGE PITA to recover. The sequence is the key. I've done 3 pairs so far, with great results.
 
There's no mention of the magnet structure in my owners manual either, but they're definetely AlNico. I saw another set of them in for repair at JAMAC down in Portland, and they had the same woofers.
I've had these for about nine years, and I haven't torched any diaphagms...yet, but I'll definitely keep your offer in mind.
Thanks.
 
tarior said:
There's no mention of the magnet structure in my owners manual either, but they're definetely AlNico. I saw another set of them in for repair at JAMAC down in Portland, and they had the same woofers.
I've had these for about nine years, and I haven't torched any diaphagms...yet, but I'll definitely keep your offer in mind.
Thanks.
Hey now! Next time you're at JAMAC, tell Ron that "JBL" Steve says HOWDY! I lived up there for many years. So what made you think that they were AlNiCo? Did Ron tell you. AlNiCo doesn't look any different to the naked eye. So, you must be in "Hog Heaven" with that pair of AMT6's? Anybody tell you that they're, ur-umm, lacking?:D Here is a picture of the original ad for the 1D's
 

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Really nice work there gonzomeep.
Where is the passive on those? Downward? Back? I'd like to hear some ESS speakers some day. I've heard nothing but good about them.

On the "lacking" thing: I think - my opinion based on context and re-reading - but I think that Sleddogman was not saying that the ESS speakers were in any way "lacking." I think what he was saying was that after the HEIL grows on you when listening to the AMTs, other speakers are lacking in comparison.
So I think he was paying high praise, rather than saying the AMTs could be better. But that's just my read.

But I agree with the general use of the descriptor "lacking" when critiquing a speaker, especially in comparison to one's preferred speaker. I think it's a lazy way to get away from really listening for what is different, what the performance of speakers actually IS. It's commonly used in an elitist context such as "Ever since I got my Martindales (I hope that's an imaginary brand) and connected them to my ultra rare refrigerator magnet amp, I've been spoiled, and I find other speakers like the Spamalot-10F lacking. It might be good for late 70's disco or Tubular Bells, but it's not my cup of tea."
But, I don't think that's what sleddog was doing at all.
 
Wow, I actually agree with your read on Sleddogman's comments after re-re-reading them. I am mistaken about them. I apologize for that, I am sorry :yes: As far as my own opinion of ESS speakers in general, it's no secret that I love them. they do so many things so well. I'm really trying to reconcile the decision to sell them, with the strong desire to keep them. Everytime I find a pair, I think that surely, I'll not find another. You don't see this particular model for sale much, and I know why, they're just so good. This model's HEIL has a much bigger aperture, or so it appears that way. I love the wood grilles with the cloth inserts too. I'm going to listen to them again with my MELOS GK-1 tube preamp/VTL EL34 45wpc Stereo 45 and the Denon. If I like what I hear, it looks like some very nice and rare JBL drivers will be for sale soon :scratch2:

Again, sorry about the misinterpetation Sleddogman
 
gonzomeep said:
Hey now! Next time you're at JAMAC, tell Ron that "JBL" Steve says HOWDY! I lived up there for many years. So what made you think that they were AlNiCo? Did Ron tell you. AlNiCo doesn't look any different to the naked eye. So, you must be in "Hog Heaven" with that pair of AMT6's? Anybody tell you that they're, ur-umm, lacking?:D Here is a picture of the original ad for the 1D's
Next time I'm down there, I'll tell him you said hi. Ron and co. were instrumental in my learning the speaker repair biz, and I still get most of my OEM drivers and some of my parts from them.
The magnets on my ESS look just about like the ones in the pic below, except the slug is a silver-white metal (AlNiCo) and they are considerably larger.
I have to say I'm pretty happy with them, I've had an awful lot of speakers over the last ten years or so and these have stayed while the others have gone. I do have AR9s, and they seem more accurate, but I can't complain about the sound of the ESS, and I don't have to worry as much about burning them up, they're virtually bulletproof.
 

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wank said:
Really nice work there gonzomeep.
Where is the passive on those? Downward? Back? I'd like to hear some ESS speakers some day. I've heard nothing but good about them.
There's a 12" passive on the back, directly opposite of the woofer. The grilles on those 1D's are unique too, as all the other floor pyramids (1a, 1b, 1c) were just plain cloth on all four sides -- no wood trim.


wank said:
On the "lacking" thing: I think - my opinion based on context and re-reading - but I think that Sleddogman was not saying that the ESS speakers were in any way "lacking." I think what he was saying was that after the HEIL grows on you when listening to the AMTs, other speakers are lacking in comparison.
So I think he was paying high praise, rather than saying the AMTs could be better. But that's just my read.
I probably should have elaborated a bit more, but you read it correctly. I was trying to tread lightly in regards to the vaulted and cherished JBLs that were surrounding those beautifully restored AMT-1Ds in the photo and not kindle any potential flame wars.

wank said:
But I agree with the general use of the descriptor "lacking" when critiquing a speaker, especially in comparison to one's preferred speaker. I think it's a lazy way to get away from really listening for what is different, what the performance of speakers actually IS. It's commonly used in an elitist context such as "Ever since I got my Martindales (I hope that's an imaginary brand) and connected them to my ultra rare refrigerator magnet amp, I've been spoiled, and I find other speakers like the Spamalot-10F lacking. It might be good for late 70's disco or Tubular Bells, but it's not my cup of tea."
But, I don't think that's what sleddog was doing at all.
The ultimate tribute and praise I can pay to the pair of ESS AMT-1As I have is that I've owned them since day one when I bought them new back in late 1977 and I still have them. When Steve mentioned hearing his pair in conjunction and comparison to his stable of JBLs and whether to keep them, my comment was simply, "they'll grow on you..." despite any and all of the short comings that get attributed to and heaped upon them.

In regards to everything else sounding a bit lacking, I meant in comparison to the Heil Air Motion Transformer itself. It's an amazing piece of technology and I personally haven't found or heard anything that comes close to the way it effortlessly and clearly reproduces things like the human voice, stringed instruments, woodwinds, cymbals, etc. If you've never heard an AMT at work, then you truly don't know what you're missing.

I have a pair of Klipsch Fortes. They're nice. I have a pair of JBL 4410 Studio monitors. They're nice. I had a pair of Dahlquist DQ-20s. They were nice, I just sold them over the weekend. I have a pair of Dahlquist DQ-10s. The jury is out at the moment. They all have their merit and they sound great at the outset, but after a while they unfortunately become a bit lacking to MY ear. That's not disparaging any other speaker, it's just that the Heil AMT does it like nothing else...

No offense taken and no apology necessary, good sir... :music:
 
sleddogman said:
The grilles on those 1D's are unique too, as all the other floor pyramids (1a, 1b, 1c) were just plain cloth on all four sides -- no wood trim.
Not quite unique. This "baby" 1D was the amt II. There was no "brilliance" control, the woofer was a good-quality 10" stamped-basket fiber-cone job with a butyl surround and the passive (weighted on some but not on others!) was 10" as well. Looked like a 5/6 scale amt 1D, and it was. Has the same last-generation Heil with the EDM'd pole pieces, and as you can see, the cabinets are very similar.
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You can see in the photo at far right that sometimes the grille cloth needs re-blacking.
 
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Not quite unique. This "baby" 1D was the AMT-II. There was no "brilliance" control, the woofer was a good-quality 10" cast-basket fiber-cone job with a butyl surround and the passive (weighted on some but not on others!) was 10" as well. Looked like a 5/6 scale AMT-1D, and it was. Has the same last-generation Heil with the CNC'd pole pieces, and as you can see, the cabinets are very similar.

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This pair's cloth obviously needs re-blacking.
I like!!:thmbsp: :thmbsp:
 
I like those too!

We should start an ESS Heil picture gallery one of these days because ESS certainly created quite a variety of floor and bookshelf models using at least 5 different versions of the AMT that I'm familiar with.

I have a pair of: AMT-1a, Tempest L-5, PS-820, and soon a pair of AMT-3 Rock Monitors. Once I get the digital camera fixed, perhaps I'll start a separate thread, unless someone beats me to it...
 
sleddogman said:
I have a pair of: AMT-1a, Tempest L-5, PS-820, and soon a pair of AMT-3 Rock Monitors. Once I get the digital camera fixed, perhaps I'll start a separate thread, unless someone beats me to it...
I had a set of PS 1220s awhile back, and I had a couple sets of Cerwin Vegas at the same time. One pair were AT 15s, can't remember the others. Both had 15" woofers, huge cabinets.
The ESS sounded better, had deeper bass, better soundstage, clearer top end, AND they played every bit as loud with the same power behind them.
I sold both sets of C-Vs, kept the ESS until money and space trouble showed up at the same time. I'd sure love to get another pair of those.:tears:
I'm not a C-V detractor, either, I actually am a C-V fan, but the ESS were just about magical.
BTW, I'm more than a little curious to hear your take on the AMT 3s, I like the idea of adding a midrange.
 
wualta said:
Not quite unique. This "baby" 1D was the AMT-II. There was no "brilliance" control, the woofer was a good-quality 10" cast-basket fiber-cone job with a butyl surround and the passive (weighted on some but not on others!) was 10" as well. Looked like a 5/6 scale AMT-1D, and it was. Has the same last-generation Heil with the CNC'd pole pieces, and as you can see, the cabinets are very similar.

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amt-II-1e.jpg

This pair's cloth obviously needs re-blacking.
Man would i like to get my hands on that pair. I'd do 'em up! I like the AMT1 series II over the originals. (I've owned a pair in the 90's) The series two 1's are better sounding to me, especially in the LF/Midbass. You say that you can "re-black those grilles? Interesting. I have just replaced cloth. How is this done? The guy that sold me this latest pair of 1D's thought I would back out of the deal if he left them dusty, so he drenched them in lemon oil right before I got there:tears: It got all over the grille cloth, and left a huge "halo" of oil on his concrete floor after I loaded the 1D's up. Drag. Oh well, they had some big snags and tears. I like the idea of a ESS owners club here. I think the brand is worthy:yes:
 
You can get fabric dye in spray cans at fabric stores like JoAnne's or craft stores. Pick up a can of black or dark brown, carefully mask off the grilles, spray the fabric, and presto!

Of course, I'm not sure how the dye would have taken on cloth that had lemon oil on it. Maybe if you gently sponge-washed the cloth with a solution of Dawn dish washing soap to break down the oil first.
 
sleddogman said:
You can get fabric dye in spray cans at fabric stores like JoAnne's or craft stores. Pick up a can of black or dark brown, carefully mask off the grilles, spray the fabric, and presto!
Neat! I didn't know about that. I was going to suggest black liquid shoe polish, which I've used to touch mine up. The photos are not of my IIs-- I have four of them and one pair is "greying" but it's not anywhere near as bad as those in the photo. This fabric dye spray sounds like just the thing, although I wonder if there'd be a ruboff problem with the fairly non-absorbent polyester fabric ESS used.

sleddogman said:
Maybe if you gently sponge-washed the cloth with a solution of Dawn dish washing soap to break down the oil first.
Or maybe some ammonia water with a little spray-cleaner type surfactant added, since rinsing thoroughly would be a problem.

Has anyone noticed how many of these old speakers have paint spills on them? Almost as though they'd been used to hold paint and varnish cans in a garage. Very odd.
 
wualta said:
.Has anyone noticed how many of these old speakers have paint spills on them? Almost as though they'd been used to hold paint and varnish cans in a garage. Very odd.
That's funny, this pair had paint drops on them too! So did the amp and cassette deck. It seems that there is a shortage of either drop-cloths or memory cells with previous owners :D
 
gonzomeep said:
That's funny, this pair had paint drops on them too! So did the amp and cassette deck. It seems that there is a shortage of either drop-cloths or memory cells with previous owners :D
Probably both!
As far as the lemon oil goes, if those other things don't work, try some 99% isopropyl alcohol.
 
Glad that this thread came up at this time, as my newest speakers are ESS AMT 1b's which need serious cosmetic refurbishing, too. They are next up after the AR 2ax's. Seeing your great work is motivational, getting me eager to do mine! :thmbsp: :D

Mine have simpler cases than the ones pictured here, but at the grills are broken (MDF cracked in places) I think I'll need to use them as patterns to cut entirely new ones... so I'll probably just re-cover the new frames with new cloth, although the original cloth is not torn (just dusty). Still, might be able to re-dye and re-use the original cloth(?).

If you do start that new club for ESS owners, sign me up! :yes: I've been lusting for a pair of these for a while, and am thrilled to finally have them. Will add more if more come along at affordable prices. :D
 
I read it as *other* speakers are lacking when compared to the ESS.
I've only heard a few ESS models, and I remember liking them very much. Super mids and highs. Can't remember the bass, but I'm sure I thought it kept up just fine.
 
bully said:
I read it as *other* speakers are lacking when compared to the ESS.
I've only heard a few ESS models, and I remember liking them very much. Super mids and highs. Can't remember the bass, but I'm sure I thought it kept up just fine.

I tend to agree with you. These speakers get something of am undeservedly "bad rap". You'd think from the way some people talk that they were so bad on the low end as to be almost intolerable. That is just not true. It's more like the mid-high end is so very good, so nearly perfect, that the inherent limitations of more "regular" speakers on the low end become more evident.

It is a difficult challenge to begin with: a cone is inherently slower, and the crossover points are not ideal musically, so there have to be compromises and the result is not perfect... but it is also not horrific to listen to, either --not by a LONG shot! :no: The same low end, matched with a suitable midrange and, say, soft dome tweeters, would probably be praised for its warm, balanced sound (or something like that). It's a bit like the way very good speakers can show up the weaknesses in a stereo system: the AMTs are so incredibly good that they reveal the limitations of the cones thumping away beneath them.

On SOME music, YES, you CAN really hear this "weakness" that people talk about. As soon as you stop being mesmerized by how good the high end sounds, you start noticing the limitations lower down - IF you are listening to them, and especially if you are listening FOR them. On a few pieces, it does bug me just a little. With MUCH music, though, unless you are wearing "ultra-audiophile" ears, these things simply sound great!

No speakers are perfect, including the ESS speakers with the AMTs. Even then, the strengths of the AMTs put these qualitatively well past most other speakers --certainly most at sub-stratospheric prices-- at least in the mid-high range, which adds a lot to the overall musical impression. They are still VERY GOOD speakers, imperfections notwithstanding.

Half the time, I think people are just parroting what they have heard others say about these, hoping to appear knowledgable/sophisticated, so an audiophile's picky criticisms have become "mainstream knowledge" and probably exaggerated somewhat in the process. I wonder how many people who say these things have spent much (if any) time listening to these speakers?

Perhaps what people should be saying is, "with today's knowledge and developments in lower-end transducers, we cam take this already very-good, albeit not perfect, speaker and make it even better. We can choose a different compromise than ESS chose, to make what (we hope/believe) will bring us a little closer to the tantalizing near-perfection that the Heil units dangle before our ears. An already great but slightly flawed speaker can be made less flawed, more nearly perfect."

In that spirit, I'll probably be experimenting in the future with the Heil AMT by matching it up with other, faster and more acoustically-similar speakers, in line with what others have been doing with them in recent years. You know: the relentless pursuit of audio perfection; the search for acoustic Nirvana, and all that. :D Technology has improved on the lower end since the Heil was invented, although arguably nothing has since beat it on the high end (!), so there is room for improvement overall. The Heil AMT is such an outstanding upper-end transducer that it deserves to have the very best lower-end to balance it as well as is technologicaly possible. ESS did a VERY GOOD job of making their speakers, just not a uniformly outstanding, let alone perfect one. No one ever has, to my knowledge, made the perfect speaker, and the ones who have come any closer, like the Infinity IRS Vs and the Von Schweikerts (spelling?) are so ungodly rare and expensive as to be out of reach of most of us mere mortals. For all their admitted imperfection, the ESS AMT speakers still represent one of the best bargains -- and arguably some of the best speakers -- in audio, period.
 
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