Minus the goofy video, songs like this are what I went all in for. I believe DIO had the best metal voice ever.........
"Grunge is Why Rock 'N' Roll Music is on Life Support, if not Dead."...hmmm
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Minus the goofy video, songs like this are what I went all in for. I believe DIO had the best metal voice ever.........
Ah, Spring Break. For some reason 311 is the soundtrack to that in my head.
i just had a vision of kip winger
Kip sure played his looks up, no doubt.
Still, he had an amazing voice, and that debut had some real good cuts on it. With Reb Beach and Rod Morgenstein, some serious firepower.
I don't spin the rest of their catalog, but aside from that ill-advised "Purple Haze" cover, I think that debut is exceptional.
Kip lost his wife some years ago, and is living a rather common existence these days. Kind of a sad story, really.
Ohhhh I think not. So many musicians in the "hair-bands" were far superior to those in grunge bands in terms of talent and technical ability. They had a unique, upbeat, vibrant sound that grunge cannot touch. While they defined a positive decade musically, the only thing "grunge" defines is exactly what the name implies: filth and slop. Nearly as bad as the "prison culture" glorified by hip-hop.
Not to put too fine of a point on it- but whatever talent the hair-band people had, was mostly wasted on superficial, brainless and driven-by-marketing pablum.
I'd take a good punk band, like Bad Religion, Black Flag, or a good grunge band like Soundgarden or early Nirvana, over any of that hair stuff. At least it didn't feel like it was driven by the sort of cynical producers that people like Roger Waters railed about ("Welcome to the Machine", anyone?)...
I was, to say, overjoyed at the day where Nirvana pretty much wiped Guns n' Roses off the charts. Good riddance, IMHO.
And as for the "prison culture"- IMHO, not one "hair band" can come close to making the kinds of profound statements like Public Enemy, KRS One, Too Short, or even older cats like Gil Scott Heron or Grand Master Flash, regularly came with. Personally, I like my music not quite so brain-dead...
Regards,
Gordon.
RunOutGroove
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This should maybe go in the "minority opinion" thread, but I didn't find much to like with that grunge stuff back in the 90s... and my opinion on it hasn't really changed all these years later. There were a few exceptions of bands that came out of that scene that I dig, but mostly I found the music to be angsty in more of a "woe is me" and less truly cathartic vibe that I tend to like in punk and heavy metal music. It's funny, but I was just thinking about that as I was talking to someone about the music of the 90s and we both agreed that it was a great era for music and that we were both listening to all kinds of music, but mostly all outside of the grunge thing...
I will say though that the grunge movement of the 90s might have been the last time that really heavy guitar based music was popular on a mass scale. I like other kinds of music but I do feel a bit sad that the whole rock and roll thing by this late a date does seem to have died out... at least in terms of mass popular culture and for the current moment.
I will say though that the grunge movement of the 90s might have been the last time that really heavy guitar based music was popular on a mass scale. I like other kinds of music but I do feel a bit sad that the whole rock and roll thing by this late a date does seem to have died out... at least in terms of mass popular culture and for the current moment.
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I thought the GF was Neil Young?
You beat me to it.
For people that don't know any better, or are simpletons, I recommend AIC Dirt as a intro album.
While I'll admit to being somewhat of a "metalhead" myself, I gotta say there have been certain songs from all genres of music that struck a chord with me (pun intended). Raw energy is what attracts me, and this can be found in some songs across the whole musical scene.....
It's funny- the "real" metalheads, usually respected the younger musicians that came after them.
Lemmy is one prime example- he made it a point to hang out with punk and grunge artists. He learned from them, and they learned from him.
That's what smart people do, frankly...
Regards,
Gordon.
tomlinmgt
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Same here. As a young drummer, I cut my teeth on my instrument learning anything and everything by whoever was gracing the pages of Circus and Hit Parader from '84-86. Now, the only ones from that scene that I listen to consistently and regularly are Dio (first two releases and all the Heave and Hell era Sabbath) and, well, I guess that's about it. Lol. By the late 80's (my late teens) I was deeply immersed in the Beatles, and in college (when grunge broke) it was Steely Dan, Little Feat, Allman Brothers, all the hard rock pioneers (Zeppelin, Hendrix, Cream The Who, etc), Grateful Dead and all the fusion jazz I could get my hands on....and I'm still listening to all that stuff now in addition to new stuff that's come along since. It's fun to revisit some of the hair band stuff (was just listening to Whitesnake recently), but it's mostly just to take a walk down memory lane.
And, if you notice- DIo was another one of the metal gods, that regularly hung out his shingle with the punk and grunge guys. Saw him regularly hanging out with The Misfits and others...
The REAL artists respected other real artists...
Regards,
Gordon.
RunOutGroove
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Ha... I just posted about my indifference to grunge, but I like that hair metal stuff even less! In response to someone who said that there were some very good players to come out of that, I would have to agree but my criticism is about the vibe, not the musicianship. It makes me think of a friend in college back in the 80s who's a really gifted guitar player (who I eventually formed a band with - I play drums), who seemed to have endless tapes of various popular pop/hair metal bands of the day, none of which I could get with at all and even he seemed a bit indifferent to the vibe of the stuff, but he would often pick out guitar solos from those recordings that he would challenge himself to learn. The solos always seemed to be in an ultra flashy post-Van Halen style, which really started to become samey very quickly for me, but I had to admit that those guitarists really did have some great chops...
dio era black sabbath kicks the crap out of ozzy era black sabbath, not to say that i don't like the former. heaven & hell and mob rules are 2 of the earliest recordings i remember owning.
RunOutGroove
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Though I'm not really much of a fan of grunge music (with a few exceptions), I like much of who they were influenced by... which seems to me to be primarily just a few artists: Neil Young, The Stooges and Black Sabbath.
cpt_paranoia
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I do normally, too. Takes all sorts, and my tastes are very, very wide.
Lol... yes it is
Here's another in the same vein... Grunge "supergroup"
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btw, dirt is one of my most favorites of all time. it's right there with rust in peace from megadeth.Lol... yes it is
IMO, what has killed, or is killing, authentic music of all varieties is the greed of the western music industry. It started with Milli Vanilli and their lip sinking debacle that the music industry promoted out of blind greed. This business model spread into nearly every genre of music where no talent idiots were used as a front to snowball people into thinking they were talented singers. In reality they were just props that had their voices auto tuned hell and back to sound passable as a singer. Then they back them up with mostly unknown musicians so their "prop" stays in the spotlight. There are still some authentic singers and musicians out there but they don't get promoted much by the western music industry. Since I have expanded my musical tastes to include talent from Asia, I have had a major epiphany regarding just how good the music is coming from there. IMO, Asia is experiencing a huge boom in musical talent like we saw in the west in the 1970s. These people can create new music and cover older songs from the west as good, or better, than the original artists.
I think there will also be a renaissance of talented musicians in the west who write and perform their own music. The problem now is the western music industry doesn't want this to happen because it would mean the end of their monopoly on controlling who is popular and their business model that profits from doing this.
I think there will also be a renaissance of talented musicians in the west who write and perform their own music. The problem now is the western music industry doesn't want this to happen because it would mean the end of their monopoly on controlling who is popular and their business model that profits from doing this.
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