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as stated earlier (somewhere?) I paid with a USPS money order so that leaves out PayPal but it does bring in the USPS and they are real touchy about mail fraud so assuming it go's that far the seller could face not just reimbursment but a fine and or pen time and I don't mean the kind you right with. The seller is offering nothing until I send him the reciever back first (at my expense) oh yea I'm gonna go for that oki dok
 
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What a shame, but unfortunately there are crooks all over Ebay. Too bad they give the honest folks a bad name and make people more cautious. For sure he is open to a mail fraud claim, maybe he needs to be reminded of that if you have to throw that at him if he still refuses to compromise on the product, shipping,etc. No way that worked correctly when it left his care unless it passed by a huge Tesla coil en rout to your location. You should check into using Pay Pal though, it does give you one extra level of buying protection, and if he doesn't accept it, there was probably a reason why :screwy:

Good luck... keep us posted
 
kidthorazine said:
as stated earlier (somewhere?) I paid with a USPS money order so that leaves out PayPal but it does bring in the USPS and they are real touchy about mail fraud so assuming it go's that far the seller could face not just reimbursment but a fine and or pen time and I don't mean the kind you right with. The seller is offering nothing until I send him the reciever back first (at my expense) oh yea I'm gonna go for that oki dok
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How about Ebay stepping in? Will they or will they just cite "that's the reason we want everyone to use Paypal" mumbo jumbo.

Judging by the reply you received I doubt very much you will get anything back. That money is most likely spent already. How about a partial refund and you will keep the receiver and once the refund is received you will leave feedback?
I myself would not go for the all or nothing approach. I doubt you will get what you want and would cut my losses. You have the proof, ALTHOUGH, be careful or he will flip it so it appears you blew it up. Get what you can and get out. If he was screwy enough to sent that hunk of crap to you in clear conscience then he is liable to do anything to screw you further.
 
I agree with not being so much for the all or nothing approach. It just ends up costing you a billion times more effort, anger and time than it's worth if the seller dosent want to co-operate. As stated, probably easy to fix so a compromise might be worth it. I bet the seller found it somewhere, turned it on and did a 'does it make noise' test and decided to ebay it. Ask for half of the total purchase price (price + postage) refunded and he will be likely to accept. I'd certainly buy a bung Marantz like that one for $50 if I thought I could fix it, or even just use it as stereo instead of quad.

Its up to you what to do, I just personally find that all the extra hoo ha is never worth it. Maby I'm just lazy, but I always see it turn into a long exhausting, upsetting trauma that could have easily been worked around. The most important thing is that you decide on what makes you happy.
 
At least you (and us) got some pretty wicked pictures out of the whole deal, no? :)

On a more serious note - bummer, dude.
 
Oh you should see the complete set of pics I have,theres what looks like bondo where 3 of the 4 feet are supposed to be,the AM antana looks like it was removed using a hammer,its filty as hell inside,all of the slider knobs were bent facing down and so on and so on. Anyhoo I made a "fair" offer of half my total purchase price plus shipping,I keep the stereo, and I won't leave any negative feedback at Ebay. BTW I won't ever buy anything from Ebay again:nono: was my first and last time doing that.
 
If, like I do, you have a VISA card attached to your PayPal account (you are only liable for $50 if your paypal account is compromised or the number gets out vs. unlimited for attached bank accounts) I have found that my bank, who issued the VISA, is the best recourse for a refund. I've had items not shipped, just never arrived. eBay and PayPal, both with their "buyer protection" did absolutely jack sh#t for me. Their "insurance" relies on their ability to put pressure on the seller by restricting or cancelling their account. You will never get a nickel of THEIR money even though they've collected a fee for the listing and have their "buyer protection" propaganda plastered everywhere on their sites. Most times this will be enough, but the savvy rip-off artists know that they can send you back $10, then tell PayPal/eBay "hey, I met him halfway, we negotiated an agreement" and that's all you'll ever see. VISA, on the other hand, has never let me down... my VISA has automatic purchase insurance and they DO NOT bitch about it, especially if it's a small value (i.e. would cost them far far more to pursue than just pay you).

It's really too bad that people are so unscrupulous. Just learn:

UNTESTED = BROKEN
AS-IS = BROKEN
NO WARRANTY DUE TO AGE = BROKEN
UNIT POWERS UP = ALMOST ALWAYS BROKEN
DO NOT HAVE EQUIPMENT TO TEST = BROKEN

and the list goes on. I don't buy from people who can't write in proper sentences, call me prejudiced. I also don't buy from people who won't answer my questions thoroughly... it's pretty easy to tell when someone's committing a sin of omission when you get an oblique or incomplete response to a very simple question. With really old stuff, vintage tube equipment and the like, at the very least I need a "non-DOA" guarantee if the thing is listed as working. Most times I just assume it isn't and go after broken stuff I think I can easily fix. I'm right about 95% of the time.

Now boxing properly for shipping is another matter altogether... for another thread.
 
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I would contact the buyer and try to work out some kind of deal. In all fairness that damage couldnot occur in shipping. If the seller is honest he should look to work out some kind of deal if not refund all your money. But I doubt he will give you a full refund. Give it a try you have nothing to loose. It can't get any worse.
 
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Hi, I'm the seller too, but the fair one, if you feel you are screewed tell the seller you want return the item for the full refund because item was significantly NOT as described, if he refuses don't try to deal with him anymore - just file the dispute thru eBay and Pay Pal - if you paid with pay pal you have lots of chanmces to get your money back - if you need more details email me and I'll walk you thru, I know how is it, I just purchased 2 paintings two months ago and I never received them, I'm in the middle of the proccess of getting them back, aND AFTER ALL, I sell on eBay for a living for 5 years but my customers are always more then happy,
Jerzy - ezcapstores
 
dspear99ca said:
It's really too bad that people are so unscrupulous. Just learn:

UNTESTED = BROKEN
AS-IS = BROKEN
NO WARRANTY DUE TO AGE = BROKEN
UNIT POWERS UP = ALMOST ALWAYS BROKEN
DO NOT HAVE EQUIPMENT TO TEST = BROKEN
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That is what I follow. I get leery when people don't test their products that they are selling.
 
The end result is that although I got the seller to agree to refund half the total amount $54 the seller has never paid and when he/she/it last responded basicly called me a liar and said the stereo was working when shipped. As a side not the seller shipped it to the wrong address costing me another $12 to get it forwarded. So much for truth in advertizing :nono:
 
thats a can of worms i think best left closed considering the seller shipped something that may or may not have been leaking hazardos chemicals (the exploded electronics) exposing who knows how many postal workers and as we all know postal workers are known to go postal even over such little things such as toxic chemicals and I don't want to be a part of their list :D
 
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