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How does the amp produced around 2000 compare the amp produced nowadays?

I see this explanation often when it comes to amplifier power, and you explained it very nicely, but there is something about these calls for power that doesn't fit with the real world experience of many of us. Many have used relatively low powered amplifiers for decades, including tube designs, that would be clipping constantly in the commonly described scenario, but it's not a frequent complaint from users of low power equipment. There are plenty of listeners out there happily working with 20-60wpc without problem. If my use case only calls for 40 watts why do I want to pay for double the power?

Also, using the peak SPL calculators, the OP can achieve peaks at 101.9db from 45wpc when seated 10 feet from his speakers, which are quite insensitive. That's more than enough to wreck one's hearing in short order. The 'more power' discussions never get me past the question why I would ever want to make more peak SPL than that, nor why I would want to pay for more power than I need in my situation.

My own experience is that I listen at low levels, rarely above 60db, with 70-ish db being damned loud (to me) in my room. I'm using less than a watt most of the time and accounting for peaks probably never using more than 20-30wpc. I've had 'big iron' 200wpc amps in my main system and it became clear that, beyond weighing a ton and taking up lots of space, they were largely wasted on my system.

My current main amp is a Dared VP-20, an 18wpc 6L6 push-pull design that drives 92db sensitive JBLs, and my listening never even pushes the Dared. I understand there may be momentary instances during which the amp is 'soft clipping' but I never hear obvious distortion and there is plenty of volume/power left during normal listening. Not long ago I was using 90wpc and 100wpc before that, in the same system. The bigger amps neither provided enhanced 'grip', tighter bass, nor ease of delivery, things advocates of big power often describe. I think for the listener not rocking out (and wrecking their ears and making their neighbors hate them BTW) there just isn't the need for power so often pressed.

Unless driving extremely insensitive speaker loads, I suspect that most of us are likely to be using one watt or less most of the time.

Not a call for "more" power. Rather, it is an endorsement for enough power...enough to achieve desired loudness with the speakers being used, without clipping distortion, at desired listening distance.

Might be 5 watts, might be 50, might be 500.

The OP mentioned wanting to explore the idea of using a higher-powered amp. I was not advocating for or against. Just explaining one of the key relationships between power and sound quality.
 
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And we still don't know what speakers or circumstances.
I think OP mentioned using Elac DBR62 speakers, and an SPL of 85dB (average level, I assume). They are rated at 86dB sensitivity, but ASR shows them to be closer to 84dB.
 
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Me, I'd want an exceptional line stage and the Allo amp, which I have.
So no vinyl?

Regarding the Allo; I have a spare 32V/5A power brick that came with a Fosi amp. Have you experimented with using a larger power supply, and if so, do you have any comments? I've been hearing so much about the Allo that I've been thinking about getting one to play with.
 
So no vinyl?

Regarding the Allo; I have a spare 32V/5A power brick that came with a Fosi amp. Have you experimented with using a larger power supply, and if so, do you have any comments? I've been hearing so much about the Allo that I've been thinking about getting one to play with.
I have a nice phono stage expertly built by a fellow member. The Allo Volt+D might be able to handle a bit more than 24 VDC due to the voltage drop thru the PS capitance multiplier stages, the TPA 3118 chips themselves shouldn't see more than 24 VDC. Margin is good insurance, Allo recommends 19 VDC.
 
I have a nice phono stage expertly built by a fellow member. The Allo Volt+D might be able to handle a bit more than 24 VDC due to the voltage drop thru the PS capitance multiplier stages, the TDA chips themselves shouldn't see more than 24 VDC.
Thx. I'll have to do some more homework.

My comment about vinyl was due to using the term "line stage". I took it to mean line stage only.:beerchug:
 
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I stand corrected. I guess 2 speakers = 2x the power, or just about 89dB. Either way it blows me out of the room at a tiny fraction of the amp rating. An A weighted 92dB is the highest I've been able to stand. A useful link BTW.
 
I assumed it was a subsequent version. I based my assumption on seeing the ordering info on their website, but overlooking that it was unavailable.

Two errors! I wonder if they plan to offer it again, or have just moved on.
 
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