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howz come don't see too much about Denon...

Couple of older pictures, several mods ago, of the internal construction of the denon I mentioned earlier.
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Note the 2 large heatsinks, one per channel, where many modern receivers and integrateds have only one, the size that the Denon uses for one channel.
 
The only Denon BPC I own are the cassette decks. Bar-none best cassette decks on the market for those in the know. I have the DRW-580 and DRW-660 and when other cassette decks sell for $5 and $15 on ePay the DRW's consistently get around $50 (I sold another 660 months back for $87).

The Denon decks are TOTL in today's waning field of tape decks.
 
The Denon 5805 is the monster of all monster receivers. I have yet to see another receiver that big/heavy regardless of age. It weighs 97 pounds! Denon certainly isn't glorified plastic crap.
 
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1969? - no way!

I don't read Japanese anymore, but they've been making the DL-103 since the early 60's ('63, I believe) - the company was founded in 1910!
 
I have been using a denon DCD 910 CD player now for 10 years, sounds very good. I bought it used at a pawn shop and was lucky enough to score the optional rosewood sides and remote off of ebay for 6.00 from the same seller.
 
my hk avr 5 ht reciever has as much heat sink area as the denon amp in that picture has.

I like my hk but it is made out of a lot of black plastic.

and thanks to a dropped = broken avr 5 - mine has 2 power transformers.
 
I've had several Denon products. All have been well built and great performers. My current AVR-4802 is pictured below. Not BPC!! All metal, 65lbs! I agree that they didn't have as much market presence in the 70's though. Since the mid-80s, most of their stuff is pretty solid.
 
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my hk avr 5 ht reciever has as much heat sink area as the denon amp in that picture has.

I like my hk but it is made out of a lot of black plastic.

and thanks to a dropped = broken avr 5 - mine has 2 power transformers.
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I cannot say for sure but I would really doubt that, I should have taken a picture of something else in frame for a size reference.
The PMA-2000 r is a ultra high current design that puts out 80wpc at 8ohms and "doubles-up" to 160 wpc at 4 ohms.
Plastic, I think NOT , the only plastic apparent is the insular plastic that the speaker posts mount into on the back of the unit.
all metal! the black face is brushed aluminum
Hopefully here will be some specs that will come out legible.
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you might be right

I see a lot of photos on ak that I wish had a size reference.

I do not know why but I use my fisher ag7 space pen as a size reference

my hk's heat sink is 1 piece about 15" by 4.5" by 2"

stock(minus the extra transformer diode bridge caps - etc)it is rated at 35wpc all 5 channels driven at the same time 20 hz to 20khz at .03thd.

so the heat sink has to dissapate about the same heat load as a 80wpc stereo amp.
 
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Denon running pretty strong in pro DJ gear market. I use 2600F dual CD player. one of the best you could get at the time. Don't know about standing in home audio.
 
This is a bit off topic but, exactly how does the exterior composition of a receiver/amp affect it's performance? Plastic is used because it's cheaper and lighter. It can be made to look just like metal. Other than asthetics, a product being plastic means nothing.
 
with out plastic life would be very different.

I like my hk avr 5

so what if it has a precision molded plastic front pannel.

black plastic crap - silver metal crap ?
 
BPC stands for the migration from quality to economy/profit. In addition to the wholesale move to IC controls and components that have little if any inerchangeablity and are now cheaper to junk (bad for the environment) than to fix--pots and switches are soldered directly to boards which makes them prone to failure and also impact damage.

There is some good BPC out there--noteably Denon, Harman Kardon, some Pioneer, Yamaha, and Onkyo, and a few of the proprietary Sony components--but for the most part there is little out there that rivals pre 80's audio (other than boutique gear).
 
Way too much chit that can go wrong in something that runs $6k. And show me the one geeky idiot in the world who will utilize all them pretty connexions (mostly video) and I'll show you the moron who could've had a more capable and manageable system on PC along with great gaming.

I do like Denon BPC (hell, I've got a wall of decent BPC) but would respect and like them more if they ground those faces down to show us some shine or at least get funky with Gunmetal like Harman Kardon has done. Can we please move on from the "I wear my sunglasses at night" 90's look?
 
I have four Denon units bought new circa 1990 (CD player, cassette, tuner and integrated surround amp), and much later I added two more secondhand units (MD and LD players) just to "complete" the set.

The only problem I've ever had with one of these is the power on/off switch on the HT amp. That seems to be an occasional weakness in these, as I've seen two other secondhand units that had the same problem. The little catch that closes the flip-down panel on a secondhand unit I had wasn't sticking shut properly, but it worked fine after a squirt of cleaner.

The other potential weakness with Denon units is that (I've been told by repair techs) some of their ICs are getting hard to replace if they ever go bad, but fortunately none of mine have so far. It's a long-term worry that is shared with ALL modern IC-circuit gear.

Quality? Excellent for the time it was made and the price.
Sound? -Again, excellent... as long as your speakers are good!
Looks? -With golden-champagne-colored aluminum fronts and wooden panels on the sides, these have a sophisticated look that blends especially well with antiques, wooden stuff and traditional interiors. I'd describe it as a "subtle, two-martini appearance".

My stuff isn't the very best Denon ever made, it's middle-of-the-line to upper-middle... but it's good stuff (compared to the competition) that I plan to keep, and would buy again. The "Special Limited Edition" CD Player competes well sonically with some at 2 or 3 times the price. Some of their high-end stuff that I've heard is among the best currently made by any big (non-boutique) manufacturer. Not as solidly built as the late-seventies stuff, but good for what it is. Just my impressions as a long-term Denon owner/user.
 
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