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Hum when listening to FM on a MX-110

m_cugat

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Hello to all Mac specialists,

got my MX-110 (Z- series) back from a complete technical overhaul / restoration a couple of months ago.
Every component was checked thoroughly but only was changed in case of issue (to prevent the original character as close as possible), the tech explained. All tubes were measured strong, so no tube was changed. I have to admit, that I'd never used this item in my stereo before and needed a couple of weeks until I found the time to test it.
First, I found the sound too bright and it lacked authority in the bass region. I swapped some of the audio tubes (V13 - V17 > I will share my experience in an extra thread!), which bettered the situation, but still not satisfying compared to my C-28 (also freshly overhauled).
BTW at this time my stereo consists of: (Technics SL-1500 with Empire 2000 E/I) > MX-110 or C-28 (want to use both) > MC-30 > Klipsch Cornwall I.

Then I discovered a little hum out of the loudspeaker when listening to FM- radio. In loud passages you won't hear it but when it comes to quiet ones (e. g. when listening to classic music) there is always a noticeable (annoying) hum background!! I talked to the tech and he repeated that such old and tube driven items always hum!!
I've read a lot about the MX-110 and to my knowledge the MX-110 is supposed to be one of the best designs (60's) with a very low hum level (>70dB) and should not show noticeable hum even when used with higher volume levels!
The "phono" input shows (much) less hum and the "aux" is dead quiet!!!
That means the issue should be within the tuner and not within the audio section, right?
I already changed the V10 (6D10 Compactron) RCA= old to GE= new - no difference (unfortunately :-(...)

Does anybody know if there are tubes in the tuner section which are most likely to be responsible for hum?
(I know changing tubes in the tuner section requires realignment. But I want to do the troubleshooting in advance.)
Which tubes (brand) do you recomment?
Or do you think the hum is probably caused by other components such as resitors or capacitors?
Antenna- problem? (I use a simple 5 feet wire, signal quality is good)
Anything else or any opinions? What is your experience?

Thank you very much in advance!
Mat.
 
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Hello Mat

Hum , not easy from here ....

I can't hear it , so ......

Your unit is in 110V ?

got my MX-110 (Z- series) back from a complete technical overhaul / restoration a couple of months ago.

OK but who did that ?

Is this tech familiar with old tuners like MR71 and MX110 ?

I don't know what has been done in this tuner but do you know what should be done in tuner like yours ? In USA this work is charged around 800/900 USD and half a day is necessary to re-aligne the tuner . Can you give us a report of the work done in this tuner ?

A complete check is not replacing defective capacitors like we can read every where ....

I don't belive that a tube may cause this (again difficult to certify from here)

Do you get some drift after one hour warming up ?
 
Hi "clinic-audio",

thanx for the fast reply.

The tech who did it is a German well known specialist in doing reparation / restoration of vintage classics. He also designs tube amplifiers (OTL) and produce them in small quantities on his own (hi end). He should be familiar in old MacIntosh tube (and non tube) designs as he also sells a lot of refurbished Mac classics! He explained me how extensive to check and align especially that tuner section will be. So I believe that he knew what to do. He claimed to make an MX-110 is like making 2 devices: preamplifier + tuner. The charge was > 1500 (also some cosmetic refurbishment).

He stated (check) that he changed some resistors and caps. Extensive cleaning of all switches, sockets, contacts and so on. Check of all tubes and currents. Conversion of the de emphasis to European standard (50 us) and complete alignment of the tuner.
The power transformer was changed to a supposed better one of 240V!

Do you think it's rather not a faulty tube?
So it would be better to bring the item back immediately for a 2nd check?
Unfortunately this tech is not around the corner. And this is why I want to check every other possible cause first.
I hoped (and still hope :-)) that it would only be one faulty but uncritical (in terms of tuner alignment) tube which would have to be exchanged, like the 6D10.

So, may you have some more ideas?

BTW do you know the MX-110? It's a beauty!

so long by now
Mat.
 
Mat

The power transformer was changed to a supposed better one of 240V ! I like the "supposed better one " ! in fact the exact repliqua of data of this original power transformer is enough except the primary windings which are for 240V use .
If I know MX110 ? yes of course , I work on MCINTOSH products overs 36 years and made very often MX110 and MR71.
Without unit in front of me difficult to confirm but I don't trust the track of bad tube
 
Just a thought, are you using a 3 prong power cord by any chance? Perhaps a ground loop is causing the hum.... I think I'd find another tech from what I have read....Al
 
AI: Yes, the power chord now is 3 prong! Can this explain hum when listening to radio (antenna) but no hum when listening through "aux"? Is there a trick to find out? Can I deactivate the earth contact for testing? Interesting! (I'm not a tech!! but I know that in some cases antenna + ground contacts can provide hum problems ...)

clinic-audio: Do you think to change it was rather unnecessary? The tech told me that it would only have advantages to change the original PT to a one which can deal with 240V (in addition that you don't need a step down converter). To be honest, I was skeptic, as I always prefer to use and keep my vintage gems as close to the original conditions as possible. But he was that enthusiastic about that ...

ok.
so long and thanx again for help!
Mat.
 
Sounds like a road trip is in order......a weekend in Paris in the springtime! My better half would still give me a attaboy even after she found out I brought a stereo along!

Patrice, I will convince you someday to offer a open bench Saturday also.
 
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