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IMF owners thread!

Well, the arctic vortex hit while I was in Toronto and my ears plugged up from pressure on the flight back. I am even more hosed.

Good to hear! I will hook mine up to my 4 x 6L6GC based tube amp (maybe similar to yours?) and give it a shot down the road and give it a listen when my ears work again as well!
That is amusing! Well it's funny when things happen like that because it's the least thing you would expect it to be. At least now you can get your health in order.

I guess I'll have to ask you when your ear is all better what you think of the IMFs then :)

Well guys I am currently running my IMFs on tube watts. I finished recapping the Sansui 500a yesterday and have it hooked up this morning playing tunes using my Denon DP-A100 as a source. I haven't had lots of playtime yet so I won't delve into it but first impressions I always feel are important and so far I am very impressed. As I suspected 20 watts is more than enough power to get to loud volumes.

I'll add more thoughts once I've had a couple weeks of listening through this setup.


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Okay, so my ears may or may not be recovered at this point despite having some sinus issues. I moved the IMF's out of my large listening area to my office because frankly I think that their volume limitations make them unsuited to a large area; either that or I like my music too loud or my perception of where the line that could not be crossed power-wise was off. I was powering them in that room with a Yamaha PC2602 amp which off the top of my head tops out at 250 watts at 8 ohms. My music is all replay-gained to 89 db and during my listening my preamp setting would be at around -7db when I started to get some shrillness out of the tweeters. I could hit maybe -6db with no audible distortion but because of the tweeter stridency I felt that at that point going further would put me in jeopardy of burning a driver out thus I would not cross that barrier. At that point i would say that the volume was moderate.

In any case, they now reside in front of me in my office in the following test conditions:

Room dimensions: 12.5' x 16'
Speaker Positions: About 10" off the back wall on floor, added a 1" high object under the stand feet to provide slight tilt-back. 8' distance between speakers, I am dead center between the two 8' from each one in an equilateral triangle with myself at the point. Speakers are firing lengthwise through the room. Speakers are set up properly L and R respecting mirror image labelling. Speakers are toed in so that the tweeters if a line were drawn straight out would be firing a few inches right or left of the respective ear.

Back end gear: McCormack DNA .5 (100 wpc @ 8 ohms) with Dared SL2000a tube preamp (telefunken AT7/Tungsram rectifier).
Notes: Did not receive the 2.5 uf caps yet so the originals are still in there but the 2.5 uf caps were poly caps so this should not impact things. The crossovers are NOT fastened down in the cabs on their foam stands but are flopping at the end of their cables until I solder in the final caps and tie-wrap them down. Could this impact performance by obstructing the transmission line? Not sure.

Testing conclusions (keep in mind that these are to my ears in comparison to what I believe is a norm/midpoint for most speakers):

Amber Rubarth, Sessions from the 17th Ward, track 3 "Strive"
Tonal accuracy is good. Non-fatiguing. Some of the notes and drum slaps seem to lose some of their dynamics but I think this has been known/observed that IMF's aren't known for having sharp dynamics.

Paquito D'Rivera, Portraits of Cuba, La Bella Cubana
Bass is good tight and accurate. Not over the top, not de-emphasized. Highs reach just into the range of sharpness that I deem good and not 'rolled off' but do not continue into the range where I could call them 'sharp'. Again, percussion and impact are somewhat minimal and less than normal.

Larry Carlton, Sapphire Blue, Take Me Down
Lots of detail evident on guitar plucks, sliding of fingers evident as well as other ancillary detail. Harmonica sounds great, not in your face but not recessed.

Chris Jones, Roadhouses & Automobiles, Roadhouses & Automobiles

Chris Jones, Roadhouses & Automobiles, Thank You RJ Reynolds

For those of you that have not heard Chris Jones's voice it is a torture test for midranges. His voice usually has so much richness/heat to it so that on at least 50% of speakers that I audition when he starts singing it is tinged with distortion/smearing/heat, pick your verbiage for it. The IMF's have reproduced it perfectly. Guitar strums are deep and rich. This song feels very 'full' as it should on the IMF's. They shine well on this material.

Natalie Merchant, Carnival, Tigerlilly

Initial drums lacking visceral impact but having the requisite bass. Usually the initial drums hammer into you but in this case it feels more workmanlike without the punch. Guitar during the first music is less forward in my opinion than it should be. Voice is reproduced well and is fine. These are two commonalities that I am starting to find, the lack of dynamics and reticence in certain midrange audibles. I'll expand as I continue.

Blitzen Trapper, Destroyer of the Void, Destroyer of the Void

Not an audiophile recording but one that I play a lot on many speakers as reference for a modern day normally recorded rock track. On the IMF's the track sounds tinny, pronounced treble and upper midrange, lower midrange seems slightly reticent and de-emphasized. Everything else is workmanlike on this track but not eminently enjoyable.

Norah Jones, Come Away With Me, Don't Know Why

Near-perfect rendition. Voice is nuanced and her peaks which on this track go into earbleed territory with Klipsch products comes right up to the edge of sharpness without crossing over into pain. Excellent.

Grateful Dead, American Beauty, Box of Rain

So at 2-3 seconds into Box of rain there is a 'thump thump' of sub bass that doesn't come up as audible on three quarters of speakers that roll off around 40 hz. This thump thump is clearly audible at all times.

Grateful Dead, American Beauty, Operator

There is a ratcheting sound persistently in the background throughout this entire track. On AT LEAST 75% of systems this sound does not exist/is inaudible. Clearly audible on the IMF's.

These last two tests are ones that to me are pretty revealing as literally it is a crapshoot if you can even hear these sounds on many if not most speakers.

Chicago, Chicago Transit Authority, Introduction

Workmanlike reproduction, eminent lack of 'slam' really doesn't do justice to this track. The horns and clinical reproduction is fine but the missing slam on this particular track really takes the wind out of it's sails.

Crosby Stills Nash, So Far, Find the Cost of Freedom

Good reproduction. These speakers really excel with acoustic guitar. I played quite a few Paco De Lucia tracks as well and DAMN they sounded good. A strong point for the IMF's. In any case the vocal harmonies sounded good, rich, centered, no smear.

Crosby Stills Nash, So Far, Helplessly Hoping

No new observations, this track was solidly reproduced.

Dire Straits, Dire Straits, Down to the Waterline

Excellent. Full on guitar crush in at full volume at 54 seconds in was suitably epic.

More to come. Have a meeting spinning up time to kill the audio...
 
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Right on John, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Sounds like the IMFs are favorable overall so far.

I'll have to do some critical listening to my Mk IVs and make some notes to see if they line up with what you have.
 
I am about to head out but I will post more observations. There are tons of positives but I want to focus on the negative observations to see if I'm the only experiencer or if there is a technical issue that I need to change/fix.

I'm wondering if those big *ss crossovers hanging in the t-line are impacting the lower midrange/midbass/upper bass response and overall reducing the db output of the bass.

At this point the bass seems deep but often slightly light. Usually it's just right but sometimes it is just a db or two less than I would expect but totally travels the range to the very deep and is articulate.

Also lower midrange seems somewhat reticent.

Also doesn't have a lot of midbass/upper bass punch. I know a lot of speakers put a notch in for midbass/upper bass hump, I'm guessing this one is more flat but I'm kind of missing that visceral oomph and some of the lower midrange. If you're listening to rock I feel like the highs and treble are slightly emphasized, the lower bass guitar notes are all good, but things in between are ever so slightly less there. Is it me?
 
Let me also add that when I had it in the main room one of my buddies that was into British audio had similar observations. Now that I have it in my office I really need to put it through the paces and see if I am observing those things.
 
Hmm it's hard to say, but possible. Crossovers not strapped down properly can indeed cause distortion - I've heard it first hand and I'm not the first person to account that.

However, what I plan to do is listen to all of the same tracks you have listened to through my IMFs and make some notes. I'll get back to you.
 
I'll add a lot more common ones. I know those are obscure. How about I move on to some more common subject material...I actually was kind of going alphabetically through some of my reference tracks while working from home between conference calls and during my lunch hour (haha...I usually work through lunch thus the joke...) so I'll continue on. I want to focus on tracks where I am detecting lack of performance and see what your ears think. Perhaps we can land on some common reference tracks. Yeah, that crossover is HUGE and the transmission line is not quite a gaping cavern so when the crossover is hanging in that slot I am guessing I'm occluding optimistically 30%, maybe more realistically 40% of the transmission line depending on how it flops in there. Plus I did a sweep of test tones and certain frequencies I heard rattling on and DEFINITELY it was the crossover in there rattling. I'll be eager to get them finished up and strapped down but until then it doesn't make sense to fish around inside there are at least I'm not MOTIVATED to lift a near 100 lb object up, put it on it's back, and play around in there.

Moving on:

Bob Dylan, Desire, The Hurrican

Acoustic guitar notes exquisitely crisp...painfully good. Violin cut-in is a bit less forward than I'd like but great. I'm splitting hairs here and indicating preference somewhat. Flat out it sounds damn good.

Donald Fagen, the Nightfly, IGY

First note out the gate is missing the dynamic impact that it should but the bass behind it is there, notes are nice and crisp, bass is tight...just lacking a little bit of fullness and impact. Everything else is just stellar.

Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, Never Going Back Again

Again, the particular crisp quality to the guitar notes, nice and sharp and effortless. No complaints on this track. Perhaps I have to move into less properly recorded fare to find issue.

Fleetwood Mac, Tusk, Think About Me

Somewhat of a muddy presentation in the lower midrange and a lack of immediacy. I'm used to this track having a lot of impact. This may display some of the lower midrange imperfection that I'm describing.

Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, Dreams

Sounds great...strangely there IS initial impact on this track.

Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, Flight of the Cosmic Hippo, Flight of the Cosmic Hippo

Done on the IMF's could be considered a clinic on how low/tight bass should be done. Ridiculous. 2:25 in....only my AR9's and 9LSI's and a few big SDA's could pull those low notes off without falling apart. If you haven't heard this track or don't have it in your reference music lexicon I highly recommend it. Bela Fleck first off is awesome for it's modern blue-grassy sound, second for recording values, third for how eclectic it is.

Monster Blues (VA), Taj Mahal, Lovin' in my Baby's Eyes

The first initial notes before he starts singing. Reproduced well, a tad bit less forward but still excellent.

Jimi Hendrix, Axis Bold as Love, Little Wing

Lots of sparkle and good mids before the vocals kick in. Honestly I thought I'd find fault here but I'm not. I figured a Hendrix distortion-laden track would make me experience the thinness in the lower mids but I'm just not hearing it. Maybe most of this was due to these being in too large of a room before?

Joni Mitchell, The Hissing of Summer Lawns, Edith and the Kingpin

Damn if this doesn't sound just out of this world on the IMF's. Her peaky voice executed perfectly without pain and without sparing her full range...another torture test female vocalist for ear fatigue the IMF's handle it perfectly without rolling it off. Big kudos here.

Michael Jackson, Thriller, Billie Jean

It's a 1999 remaster but right out the gate the high hat tss tss tss is overwhelming. Probably on any speaker. Made me fear I'd blow out a supertweeter not that the IMF was showing signs of sweating....just so much. So on this track some of the midbass in the background is somewhat muddy but that may be the nature of it. When the track picks up steam at 1:09 this dissolves and resolution on the bassline returns.

Pink Floyd, Animals, Dogs

Vocals good...no problems. When the track hits hard at 56 seconds with the first 'hit' it's not as impactful as I would expect but this seems to be a known thing with any speaker in the low 80's in efficiency. at 1:49 the guitar licks are fluid and sound well reproduced...maybe not as sharp edged or forward as I'm used to but not seeming reticent.

At 3:40 the guitarfest kicks in. Sounds great. No complaints except that the drum hits aren't as visceral. At 4:28 when the track soars high it doesn't dissolve into a cacophony of instruments I can still hear the individual performances. All good.

The Eagles, Hotel California, Hotel California

Intro accurate, spot on, guitar crisp. Midrange in prelude slightly reticent but that's just the flavor of these. Kickdrum before the song kicks into high gear has good impact...on the right channel I can clearly hear the 'click click...click click...click click' that is pervasive but is NOT audible on some speakers. Chorus hits hard...well executed...can still the 'click click' throughout. Impressive...sounds awesome. Can't complain.

The Eagles, Hotel California, New Kid in Town

Track sounds full where it should. Expected to be missing lower mids/upper bass. Not missing. Well executed.

The Eagles, Desperado, Doolin Dalton

Vocals front and center, smooth. When the track kicks in with bass and full onslaught at 1:04 it hits properly, I'm hearing the bassline fine.

The Eagles, One of these Nights, One of these Nights

Midrange torture test. I now feel like I'm losing my mind or becoming more assured that my large room ate my lower mids and upper bass because it's all here or seems to be. Executed well, sounds damn good. My 'ears' are probably becoming used to the sound of these and I may be losing impartiality at this point.

Steely Dan, The Royal Scam, Haitian Divorce

A favorite reference track of mine. Sounds great. At the chorus starting at 45 seconds in 'Papa say nooooo' there are some high notes that are like little dots sitting atop the normal notes...no other way to describe them that I can think. On some speakers these little sparkly high notes that punctuate aren't audible and get lost in the morass of the overall note.

Steely Dan, Aja, Josie

No complaints. Sounds great.

Led Zepplin, Led Zeppelin, Good Times Bad Times

Treble emphasized, guitar line sounds somewhat reticent and less forward. This is not a reference track of mine, I just switched things up because I thought I might find some issues in rock.

Lenny Kravitz, Mama Said, Always on the Run

No fault found here. Sounds great.

So sorry for the long posts and the stream of consciousness analysis of various tracks. Not sure if it was of value or not and it's audio so descriptive terms are hard to come up with to convey auditory info.
 
That's great stuff, John and no complaints here. Keep on listening and sharing your thoughts. My wife is stealing the TV for a bit but I'm gonna sit down for some music listening shortly.


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If you have any tracks that you think we might mutually have let me know and I'll sync up with you. I have a pretty eclectic lossless collection.

John
 
M-350...That was one thorough write up. Glad you are liking those speakers. I can't wait to hear them soon.
 
Probably too much man. Kind of got caught up in the listening and enjoying ;) You'll have to swing in and check them out when you're mobile.
 
All right John, I'm doing some listening here. I am using Spotify so, I have access to just about all of the music you have. Unfortunately it's in 320kbps though, so it's not as faithful as it could be (which does make the midrange sound a tad on the colored side) but it should give me enough information to see if my Mk IVs are lining up with what your Pro Monitors are doing.

First of all it's been quite some time before I have critically listened to my IMFs. The last time would have been when I was comparing them to the Kef 107s to see which would stay or go.

I'll just say right off the hop that, yes, I do find there is less midbass presence than most speakers. This was one of the key differences I found between the Kefs and the IMFs - and is also why I kept the IMFs as opposed to the Kefs. Ultimately, I found the midrange to have more richness and a more natural presentation over the Kefs. The midbass was definitely emphasized which added a warmth and touch of coloration to the midrange which I felt is what made them inferior. I think it's mostly because of the enclosure the midrange sits in. In the Kefs it was in a very tight space so defeating rear waves was quite challenging, and likely the cone saw more rear waves as a result of this even though it was designed quite well. The IMFs absorb the waves and because of this I think this is where you may find the midbass becoming less present. What you have to think about is, is this more correct? Is this higher in fidelity? It depends on your objectives with sound, of course. If you are like me, then being true to the original is what I seek, and this is something desirable.

I guess I could equate it to bass in rooms. Acoustically bass is the worst offender. I learned this when I bought my DSPeaker and ran the sweeps and then heard the system with the bass corrected. At first, it sounded sort of flat and lacking in bass. However the more I listened, the more I realized "No, this is how bass is supposed to sound". Perhaps this is a similar case with the IMFs. I don't know for sure, to be honest, but it's a possibility. So I would focus your thoughts when you listen for the midbass to, "Is this really more natural? Or does something seem lacking here?" In the end it's always difficult to really know what one track is supposed to sound like because likely your memory around it is based on a home audio system which could be a large contrast to what it sounded like in the studio. It's hard to say without being there. In my opinion this is what makes it so difficult to ascertain what a stereo system is doing right, and so you're simply left with trying to decide if this is something you like or not. In my mind, tastes are formed around perception. It's like tasting a very fine wine for the first time - your tastes may not be developed enough to really appreciate it, but then as time goes on and you begin to understand the difference you gain a bigger appreciation for it and thus, begin to prefer that taste more.

All right that was quite long-winded, but based on my experience with my IMFs and what I'm hearing just tonight doing critical listening, those are my thoughts. 'cause I prefer the way these IMFs do the whole range, from bass, to midbass, mid to treble, over anything else I've heard. It just sounds "right" to me. But hey, I've only been doing this for a couple years and my "taste" isn't fully developed either. Just some food for thought :)

Now onto my listening impressions.

So first of all I had to check out Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, Flight of the Cosmic Hippo.

Jesus. This is like THE IMF demonstration song. Wow is that bass ever deep and open. What a treat this was. Very well recorded and overall excellent.

Acoustic Alchemy - The Very Best Of - Mr. Chow

I picked this song because I figured this one might give me a sense of the midbass in the song. About halfway through after the initial guitars are over with, there's a deep, percussion instrument that gives you a very strong sense of space and shows off the impact of a speaker. I thoroughly enjoyed this and this is still my favourite part of the song reproduced through the IMFs. It gives you a sense of dynamics and openness that some speakers struggle to show.

Fleetwood Mac - Never Going Back Again

I love this track. A particular favourite of mine to show off the acoustic capabilities of a speaker. Here the guitar plucks are "strong" with attack and the guitar sounds faithfully reproduced, as though the guitar is here in the room playing. No sense of coloration or being unnatural. When the vocals start they sound rich and true. And then the first time it goes "Hmmmmm" it's just beautiful. Ear to ear vocals that put a smile on my face. It's easy to get lost in this one.

Fleetwood Mac - Tango In The Night - Little Lies

Yeah I know, 80s Fleetwood Mac. But I love the openness this song has. I feel like it transports me to this space of 80s bliss. I like 80s music, can you tell? :) Now the vocals on this song have always sounded processed to me. A bit of shrillness, but sounds good nonetheless. I have yet to hear it sound anything different on any other system, but I like the way it sounds the best on the IMFs. I'm sure the 320 bitrate isn't helping this either. However, the strong point of this song is the synthesizers and just how nice they sound. A very clean and enjoyable presentation.

Diana Krall - Live in Paris - East of the Sun (West of the Moon)

John check this one out if you can. This might give you an idea of what I'm talking about above with the midbass. This song has a good range of stuff going on. First of all, this album is an excellent litmus test for any speaker because it is a very well recorded live performance. On the right system you will have no trouble imagining you are there hearing the performance in your living room live. Right off the bat, with the piano on the right side you can easily tell what the midrange is going to be like on the speaker. I found on my IMFs that the piano was not piercing, or dull, it sounded balanced and good. Interestingly I am finding a slight lack of dynamics here, like there should be a bit more, but I wonder if this is because of the source? I really need this album on CD or LP (there is a 45RPM release of it that is to die for, apparently). Now moving on, the percussion here is not harsh at all and sounds great. No fatigue whatsoever. Diana's voice sounds rightly husky with no emphasis anywhere. She sounds live like I remember her to sound like (I've seen her live, what a performer, see her if you get the chance). The bass solo here is what I was referring to when it comes to the midbass. It just sounds right. Nothing emphasized and it's all there. Certainly this instrument is also playing into the low registers but if the midbass was lacking this instrument would lack impact, and lacking impact it isn't. A fun track to listen to. This whole album is particularly great and worth checking out.

Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2 - Scenes from a Memory - The Spirit Carries On

I really like this album. One of my favourites of DT's. Such a variety of music here, lots of highs and lows. This is one of the lows and carries a lot of emotion. It starts off with very forward vocals, brings in the guitar and I like the part where the drums kick in. This is the first time I've listened to this song through the IMFs, and I have to admit the drums aren't quite as powerful as I'd like. The snare is very good but the bass kick could be a little better. I'm beginning to wonder if I need to redo my DSPeaker? Well, I decided to pop on my headphones (Audeze LCD-2s) because they sound quite a bit different than the IMFs to see what difference there might be. As my suspicions confirmed there is something funky going on with the lower bass on the IMFs. The snare was just as impactful but there's something a little missing. Is this my DSPeaker not being dialed in correctly anymore? Or is it the speaker? Maybe both. I'll have to redo the DSPeaker and give it another try. But what I like about this song overall is the emotion in the voice and the song overall, which the IMFs have no trouble with at all.

Well I have run out of time for music listening for now, but those are my thoughts for now. I'm going to explore this midbass thing more and do more critical listening. As I said above it's been a long time! And it's rather refreshing to explore once again what I like about these speakers - as I come away tonight after this listening session remembering again what I really love about the way these sound. Such a great sound.
 
All right John, I'm doing some listening here. I am using Spotify so, I have access to just about all of the music you have. Unfortunately it's in 320kbps though, so it's not as faithful as it could be (which does make the midrange sound a tad on the colored side) but it should give me enough information to see if my Mk IVs are lining up with what your Pro Monitors are doing.

Hey, 320kbps is pretty darn good for compressed audio. I think I could still till while critically listening and hear the lossy compression noise but I would probably have a high failure rate of making that determination so I'm sure it sounds great.

First of all it's been quite some time before I have critically listened to my IMFs. The last time would have been when I was comparing them to the Kef 107s to see which would stay or go.

I'll just say right off the hop that, yes, I do find there is less midbass presence than most speakers. This was one of the key differences I found between the Kefs and the IMFs - and is also why I kept the IMFs as opposed to the Kefs. Ultimately, I found the midrange to have more richness and a more natural presentation over the Kefs. The midbass was definitely emphasized which added a warmth and touch of coloration to the midrange which I felt is what made them inferior. I think it's mostly because of the enclosure the midrange sits in. In the Kefs it was in a very tight space so defeating rear waves was quite challenging, and likely the cone saw more rear waves as a result of this even though it was designed quite well. The IMFs absorb the waves and because of this I think this is where you may find the midbass becoming less present. What you have to think about is, is this more correct? Is this higher in fidelity? It depends on your objectives with sound, of course. If you are like me, then being true to the original is what I seek, and this is something desirable.
Good, it sounds like we are on the same page. You are answering exactly what I'm speculating on and trying to determine. Midbass hump indeed is a deviation from flat response but something that some folks seem to find pleasing to the ear or adding artificial fullness. Indeed the KEF's sound more full and the Fried Model R's are known to have a midbass hump deliberately designed in. I can see that this may be artificial coloration. I even thought similarly that my ear had become accustomed to an artificial emphasis when I noticed the lack of it. I will say however that though I love accurate reproduction I like what is pleasing to my ear and I like the added 'syrup' on the KEF's and the slightly elevated fullness in that auditory range. We'll see how this holds up as I become accustomed to the IMF sound. Obviously these things are very subtle, it's not like someone that isnt being analytical about critically listening is going to yell "oh my god where is that upper bass/lower midrange" it's just a little less evident. We'll see how my ears adapt...the more I listen the more I love the way these IMF's sound.
I guess I could equate it to bass in rooms. Acoustically bass is the worst offender. I learned this when I bought my DSPeaker and ran the sweeps and then heard the system with the bass corrected. At first, it sounded sort of flat and lacking in bass. However the more I listened, the more I realized "No, this is how bass is supposed to sound". Perhaps this is a similar case with the IMFs. I don't know for sure, to be honest, but it's a possibility. So I would focus your thoughts when you listen for the midbass to, "Is this really more natural? Or does something seem lacking here?" In the end it's always difficult to really know what one track is supposed to sound like because likely your memory around it is based on a home audio system which could be a large contrast to what it sounded like in the studio. It's hard to say without being there. In my opinion this is what makes it so difficult to ascertain what a stereo system is doing right, and so you're simply left with trying to decide if this is something you like or not. In my mind, tastes are formed around perception. It's like tasting a very fine wine for the first time - your tastes may not be developed enough to really appreciate it, but then as time goes on and you begin to understand the difference you gain a bigger appreciation for it and thus, begin to prefer that taste more.
Elaborate briefly on DSPeaker. Is this a speaker that you built based on active eq and mini-dsp? I'm not sure I understand the terminology. I acknolwedge the possibility that I'm used to artifical sound and it did enter into my thought process. Indeed, I have kind of abandoned the concept of perfect reproduction of what was in the studio and instead of pursued what is euphonic to my ears since my primary concern is how much enjoyment I am deriving from my system. Your analogy with wine tasting and refinement of tastes is totally valid...I appreciate how you articulate these concepts, I have been thinking very nearly the same as what you are stating I just was unable to distill it and put it into words as eloquently as you are. Excellent explanation and truly we are on the same page. It's why my friends that aren't into audio immediately gravitate towards the Klipsch and JBL products, they put out dynamic audio that kind of sounds like the way that mass music is marketed now, heavy on the treble and hitting hard, lots of good bass. I listened the same. I've been into audio for maybe 3 years now and here I am preferring accurate British sound after 80+ speakers that I've owned and tried out. Three years isn't long to really understand and get a feel for everything but I've been pretty ravenous about pursuing knowledge and experience in this hobby.

All right that was quite long-winded, but based on my experience with my IMFs and what I'm hearing just tonight doing critical listening, those are my thoughts. 'cause I prefer the way these IMFs do the whole range, from bass, to midbass, mid to treble, over anything else I've heard. It just sounds "right" to me. But hey, I've only been doing this for a couple years and my "taste" isn't fully developed either. Just some food for thought :)
Seriously, not at all, I'm really enjoying this discussion and we are mentally in synch, you're basically answering my questions and corroborating my gut feel even though I don't feel like I'm doing the best job in presenting my thought processes. I really appreciate it.

Now onto my listening impressions.

So first of all I had to check out Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, Flight of the Cosmic Hippo.

Jesus. This is like THE IMF demonstration song. Wow is that bass ever deep and open. What a treat this was. Very well recorded and overall excellent.
No joke, right? It's an excellent benchmark for bass and not one note bass.
Acoustic Alchemy - The Very Best Of - Mr. Chow

I picked this song because I figured this one might give me a sense of the midbass in the song. About halfway through after the initial guitars are over with, there's a deep, percussion instrument that gives you a very strong sense of space and shows off the impact of a speaker. I thoroughly enjoyed this and this is still my favourite part of the song reproduced through the IMFs. It gives you a sense of dynamics and openness that some speakers struggle to show.
I have some acoustic alchemy, let me see if I have this track when I get home and I'll see if I can provide my thoughts.
Fleetwood Mac - Never Going Back Again

I love this track. A particular favourite of mine to show off the acoustic capabilities of a speaker. Here the guitar plucks are "strong" with attack and the guitar sounds faithfully reproduced, as though the guitar is here in the room playing. No sense of coloration or being unnatural. When the vocals start they sound rich and true. And then the first time it goes "Hmmmmm" it's just beautiful. Ear to ear vocals that put a smile on my face. It's easy to get lost in this one.
Mine too, it's just beautiful. Attack...that's the proper word for the strength of the plucks that I was grasping for. That was my experience as well.

Fleetwood Mac - Tango In The Night - Little Lies

Yeah I know, 80s Fleetwood Mac. But I love the openness this song has. I feel like it transports me to this space of 80s bliss. I like 80s music, can you tell? :) Now the vocals on this song have always sounded processed to me. A bit of shrillness, but sounds good nonetheless. I have yet to hear it sound anything different on any other system, but I like the way it sounds the best on the IMFs. I'm sure the 320 bitrate isn't helping this either. However, the strong point of this song is the synthesizers and just how nice they sound. A very clean and enjoyable presentation.
I'm 41 so I'm a child of the 80's, I have this track and enjoy it, I will totally give it a listen. I'm guessing that I might experience overwhelming treble due to 80's early digital production value? I'll run this one through, I think mine is dvda 96/24 sourced so it may be a different presentation.
 
Diana Krall - Live in Paris - East of the Sun (West of the Moon)

John check this one out if you can. This might give you an idea of what I'm talking about above with the midbass. This song has a good range of stuff going on. First of all, this album is an excellent litmus test for any speaker because it is a very well recorded live performance. On the right system you will have no trouble imagining you are there hearing the performance in your living room live. Right off the bat, with the piano on the right side you can easily tell what the midrange is going to be like on the speaker. I found on my IMFs that the piano was not piercing, or dull, it sounded balanced and good. Interestingly I am finding a slight lack of dynamics here, like there should be a bit more, but I wonder if this is because of the source? I really need this album on CD or LP (there is a 45RPM release of it that is to die for, apparently). Now moving on, the percussion here is not harsh at all and sounds great. No fatigue whatsoever. Diana's voice sounds rightly husky with no emphasis anywhere. She sounds live like I remember her to sound like (I've seen her live, what a performer, see her if you get the chance). The bass solo here is what I was referring to when it comes to the midbass. It just sounds right. Nothing emphasized and it's all there. Certainly this instrument is also playing into the low registers but if the midbass was lacking this instrument would lack impact, and lacking impact it isn't. A fun track to listen to. This whole album is particularly great and worth checking out.
I totally will. I have some Diana Krall in my collection, let me verify if I have this one. If not I'll see if I can get a listen to it. So this one is basically an imaging litmus test. I may have to run through this one again when my stand comes in since basically my speakers are on the floor with some makeshift tilt to them at the moment. Dynamics just don't seem to be the IMF forte, I really think the tremendous amount of meat in the crossover and the inefficiency make these speakers display reduced dynamics as a cost of the accuracy lended by the crossover, etc. Just the price of doing business in audio giving up one thing for another IMO. I think if I can find it I will need to listen to it on several of my speakers just to get a good comparison of what it sounds like on other platforms.
Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2 - Scenes from a Memory - The Spirit Carries On

I really like this album. One of my favourites of DT's. Such a variety of music here, lots of highs and lows. This is one of the lows and carries a lot of emotion. It starts off with very forward vocals, brings in the guitar and I like the part where the drums kick in. This is the first time I've listened to this song through the IMFs, and I have to admit the drums aren't quite as powerful as I'd like. The snare is very good but the bass kick could be a little better. I'm beginning to wonder if I need to redo my DSPeaker? Well, I decided to pop on my headphones (Audeze LCD-2s) because they sound quite a bit different than the IMFs to see what difference there might be. As my suspicions confirmed there is something funky going on with the lower bass on the IMFs. The snare was just as impactful but there's something a little missing. Is this my DSPeaker not being dialed in correctly anymore? Or is it the speaker? Maybe both. I'll have to redo the DSPeaker and give it another try. But what I like about this song overall is the emotion in the voice and the song overall, which the IMFs have no trouble with at all.

Well I have run out of time for music listening for now, but those are my thoughts for now. I'm going to explore this midbass thing more and do more critical listening. As I said above it's been a long time! And it's rather refreshing to explore once again what I like about these speakers - as I come away tonight after this listening session remembering again what I really love about the way these sound. Such a great sound.

I'll see if I can find this track. May or may not have it. I ran out of time last night when my kids and wife invaded my office...enjoyed seeing them but it snapped me out of my stress-free reverie. Really...critical immersive listening is pretty fun, I haven't really spent time with that intent in a long time.
 
IMF owner thread!

Hi mccarty350/canuckaudiog,

Definitely Cosmic Hippo is a real test for any speakers. It does sound great on my IMF TLS 80 MkIIs.

I may have mentioned these tracks elsewhere: "Clay Christiansen - Organ Of The Mormon Tabernacle
KLAVIER (2000) track 09",
"Johann Sebastian Bach - Bach, Johann Sebastian; Great Organ Favorites (E. Power Biggs) tracks 1 & 2"
"Myung Whun Chung & Orchestre de la Bastille - Saint-Saens : Symphony No.3, Messiaen : The Ascension (License)
(1993) track 02".

last week I went our local cathedral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichfield_Cathedral ) and it made me come home and play some of my Pipe Organ tracks. Of course the Cathedral acoustics cannot be replicated in the home environment but it is still very enjoyable.

These tracks are more subtle sustained bass pedal notes that can test the speakers. Try listening to Saint-Saens track 2 especially for growl/rumble pedal notes.

I would very much like to hear your report on these.
 
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John, the DSPeaker is this:

http://www.dspeaker.com/en/products/20-dual-core.shtml

It is an advanced DSP/EQ system where you set a microphone up in the listening spot and then it runs sweeps and automatically corrects the bass for you. The default setting is 150Hz and lower which is what mine is set to. It makes a massive difference, it is easily one of the best purchases I've made (and certainly one of the more expensive ones I've made, too). In the living room I've had trouble getting the microphone set up correctly and last time I did it I think I set the microphone up too high. That and I've moved the IMFs around a bit so, it's possible this could have messed with the DSPeaker but I am not so sure. I'm going to likely try it again tonight or tomorrow.

wtaylorbasil, if I have access to those tracks I'll add them to my listening repertoire and report back.
 
Sorry for going silent, got slammed with a bunch of stuff. Hopefully I will be able to respond soon. I want to see if I can gather up all the tracks mentioned.
 
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