They look good. I really think that I need more A classish power.
I don't like the A/B amp sound unless it's pop music/R&B which I don't generally listen to.
Is a amp capable of delivering both delicate detail and body to sound ?
They look good. I really think that I need more A classish power.
I don't like the A/B amp sound unless it's pop music/R&B which I don't generally listen to.
Thanks for the long message! I'm using nordost and chord cabling.
I agree lower power amps can sound quieter with nice sound separation especially for the bids and highs in high efficiency speakers but not very accurate in the bass. (Know sealed boxes can work well for accuracy but I do like my speakers more lol - it's subjective) The speakers I have drive 38cm bass cones. They need a bit of power to come alive along with the other 8 speakers in the cabinet.
Have you heard this amp?
bhunter
The Spherical Cow
Get ready for a lot of heat and power usage. What do you find wrong with class AB? I'll point out that so far I have not seen a class A amp suggested in this thread. I had a class A Krell here and I found it too hot and too analytical for my taste. An amp ought do nothing but amplify the signal; however, a lot of people like amps that actually do play with the signal. Personally, I think your effort should be more focused on speakers to get the results you seek. Speakers have a much greater variance on sound reproduction than well designed amplifiers. Good luck.
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A good match would be one of these
or the 588 from Onkyo. The 5099 would be a nice choice too.
ferninando
Lunatic Member
amps should only pass without any coloration, distortion, or any other effect to the signal put into them. G-I-G-O.
Just make the speakers move, whiich distroys the sound more than any other piece of audio equipment there is.
Just make the speakers move, whiich distroys the sound more than any other piece of audio equipment there is.
I thot only wine delivered delicate detail and body.....
You might want to look into a White Oak Phase Linear 1000. Detailed, warm, high damping factor, almost zero distortion and not analytical in the least. If OP is local, your more then welcome to come and spend a few hours with my amps. Puts out about 514wpc at 8ohms and around 800+ at 4ohms
Lastly, preamp choice is just as important
Here is one of mine based on a 700B (there is nothing Phase Linear left except the chassis and tranny, everything else is TOTL White Oak Audio components)
About $1800-2000 if you have a donor chassis (depending on builder used). Usually if you choose a Phoenix Forum member, they come with a lifetime guarantee
Lastly, preamp choice is just as important
Here is one of mine based on a 700B (there is nothing Phase Linear left except the chassis and tranny, everything else is TOTL White Oak Audio components)
About $1800-2000 if you have a donor chassis (depending on builder used). Usually if you choose a Phoenix Forum member, they come with a lifetime guarantee
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elrod
Well-Known Member
I don't know about the Sony's but the Yamaha B-2 is rated at 140W into 4 ohms and the B-1 is rated at 150W into 4 or 8 ohms. Would definitely not run anything rated or a configuration that runs for an extended period under 4 ohms as you risk damage to the VFETs, which are increasingly difficult if not close to impossible to replace. You pretty much have to get replacement VFETs from another amp. The B-2's are much more common than the B-1's. You'll also find many more techs willing to work on the B-2 Vs a B-1.
I haven't heard how it compares to the MX2000 or MX10000, but if you do a search on this site the B-1 and B-2's are highly regarded. Here's a link about a comparison between B-2 and MX-2000:
http://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/which-is-best-yamaha-b-2-or-mx-2000.320102/
Superampman
AK Member
The op can be answered with an objective 'absolutely'. Why not? Who wants an amp that does nothing but play loud? Which ones are designed to do only that? Public address systems?
Yamaha and Technics? You've got a lot to look forward to
Yamaha and Technics? You've got a lot to look forward to
Yes, a friend has 4 of them powering a pair of Infinity Quantum 3's. They're a fine sounding amp. The power supply of so overbuilt the amp could probably play into a dead short.
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Assuming that an amp is not bad these are speakers and crossovers which determine the quality of sound in any room (forget about room acoustics for the moment). The best sound quality one can get from active crossovers as good active crossovers (say Bessel 4th order) will always introduce much less distortion than passive ones and there is nothing between the amp and the driver so the amp controls its driver directly.
cheers,
cheers,
I've had two high power amps through here that both sounded great. One was a McIntosh MC2255, the other a Yamaha MX-1000, each with 250 WPC. Both of them sounded much better to me in terms of sound quality than the 60-90 WPC receivers and integrated amps from Yamaha, Kenwood and Pioneer that I've had. I'm a fan of vintage SS Sansui and Marantz sound so you know where I'm coming from.
That said, both of those amps are no longer here. I didn't need the power and sold them for pretty good money. The SS power amps that I'll likely keep are a Mac MC2505 and a Phase Linear 400. Otherwise I'm pretty much a tube guy now.
That said, both of those amps are no longer here. I didn't need the power and sold them for pretty good money. The SS power amps that I'll likely keep are a Mac MC2505 and a Phase Linear 400. Otherwise I'm pretty much a tube guy now.
Superampman
AK Member
Taking it up a notch, directly driven full range ESLs would be the ultimate with distortion at the level of the amps as my Acoustat Monitor 3 will testify. They are much better than my Citation XX driving my Kappa 9s. Completely different playing field.
Someone correctly pointed out that a lot depends upon the recording. It must also be said that the Source component will make or break any system with great aspirations to the highest sound quality. Play crap recordings on a compromised Source and no matter which amp one is using, there will be no high class sound issuing from even the best amps and speakers.
Superampman
AK Member
Granted, could have been me, referring to dynamic speakers. But the directly driven Monitor 3s render all recordings otherwise driven to better then direct to disc with a serious cart if you will. Sounds nuts but it truly is like elevating the weakest link to preeminent stature.
Hi,
I agree the heat is a problem!
A just like the quietness and space of class A and don't like the puffiness of AB.
But on the other hand I need the power as my speakers have 9 drivers in them. So was going for a pseudo Class A like amp with low distortion, flat, quiet, fast, accurate character.
Love my speakers.
nyhifihead
Well-Known Member
your thread title reminds me of the many statements I've read online regarding the praise of nelson pass/pass labs power amplifiers. full bodied sound even at low wattage unlike many other amplifiers. superb timbre and resolution.
his "first watt" series which is only a handful of watts in pure class A has found universal praise
a pass labs 30.5xa is a killer on the used market, as are the pure class A thresholds, that have been recapped brought up to spec. If you need higher power his pass labs class a/b are also excellent.
his first watt series also offers great value
his "first watt" series which is only a handful of watts in pure class A has found universal praise
a pass labs 30.5xa is a killer on the used market, as are the pure class A thresholds, that have been recapped brought up to spec. If you need higher power his pass labs class a/b are also excellent.
his first watt series also offers great value
I'm just exploring this at the moment. I do like tube sound in mids and highs and ideally (depending on music type) and also like the accuracy of ss.
objectively you are right but I'm still on the fence as to which sound I prefer. I need more eyperience
Haha! Think wine and sound are very similar