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Is it possible to be a budget audiophile

I think a lot of people in this hobby take developing their systems as far as their resources allow. Resources might be availability of gear, understanding, and, of course, money. Having reached resource limits the hobbyist is then free to decide whether or not to adopt any labels his or her accomplishments allow.

(No, I'm not trying to start another dustup. But if you're honest, you'll acknowledge this is how the game is played.):D
 
if you want to be an audiophile on a budget, a good way is to do some flipping. You will find equipment that most like and you don't. You will also find lesser regarded equipment that you like a lot.

You don't have to hit a home run with every flip, just a positive return on most and you can slowly build a decent setup or two.

I have been doing this for 3 years and I think I am in positive cash flow and have a few thousand dollars worth of equipment in my hoard. Now that I have a system I am completely satisfied with, the thrill of the hunt is kinda gone.

Parasound CD player
Marantz 2270 Receiver
Elac 50H turntable
DIY Altec speakers
 
In order to put together a quality budget system successfully, you have to be willing (a) to doggedly visit local thrift stores every few days, (b) to check out little used emporiums when you're on vacation in the hinterlands, (c) to read craigslist ads (and the local equivalent) every day, (d) to be prepared for quick trips into the middle of nowhere (a good GPS sometimes helps), (d) to be disappointed when an item is not "as advertised", (e) to interact with people and drive a bargain, if necessary, (f) to do enough research so that you can be relatively decisive about what's worth buying/pursuing and what's not....and so on. Also, you need a little luck from time to time.

I "get" that not everyone is into the above. And it can be time-consuming. Not everyone has the time for dogged pursuit and the less time you have, the more patient you have to be. It cost me only about $150 but almost two years to get my current office system to the point where I'm reasonably content with its performance.

For me, music is a hobby AND collecting and researching stereo gear is a hobby. Those whose focus is primarily the music will either have to make due with what they can afford to buy at the local audio shop -- or save their pennies until they can afford something better. However, having said that, I'll also say that if I added up all my equipment repairs, the cost of all the amps and speakers sitting in the garage that I can't or won't flip, the gas that i've used driving to remote areas to have a look at something purely on spec, the time that I've spent when I could have been doing something more "productive" -- then the cost advantage becomes a little more questionable.

But a hobby is its own reward.
 
As many have said, I never viewed the two terms as mutually exclusive.

I've never liked the term audiophile as it has always instilled the idea of someone that values the gear over the music or musical enjoyment.

You should not shy away from the term audiophile. This term only implies that the quality of the sound is of the highest importance.

If that is the case for you then in general the equipment is not budget.
 
I hear ya. I've just known many folks over the last 30 years that have gone through scads of great gear in pursuit of the highest sound quality and I've known a lot of musicians that did some research, listened to a numfber of speakers, bought somethign within their budget, added on similiar quality ancillary equipment and have been happy for 10 years.

One of my favorite examples is a guy in the family that is a high end architect and medical general contractor. They've built three very nice houses and high-ish end home theaters. He was mostly into the in-wall speakers until I exposed him to other options. He's had Paradigm Studio in the first, Klipsch Chorus in the second and has Thiel 3.7s in his current setup. During this entire time, he's had Bose 301s in his home office and has enjoyed them just fine... Musical enjoyment is key for him, not the gear even though he's willing to pay for nice gear.

It's difficult to quantatively state what audiophile gear actually is. For some, you could readily build an entry level audiophile system (CD, pre/pro or integrated, speakers cables) for $1,000 while I've known many folks that would scoff at the idea of a $1,000 amp - or a $5,000 amp for that matter.
 
Absolutely. My first system was assembled on part time $8 an hour plus some of my student loan money. Bought demo NHT SuperZeros and my girlfriend bought me a Sony receiver for Christmas. A year later I bought a Klipsch sub then put that on consignment 6 months later to get a velodyne. It was all I could afford and I loved it, and the motive behind it was very much "audiophile".

Had I known more about the used market at the time, things would have been much easier for me.
Ahh, student loan money. When I lived in Ontario and sold audio, I loved September. Students would get their OSAP(Ontario Student Assistance Program) money and blow a chunk on stereo gear. People who sold audio called it the Ontario Stereo Acquisition Program. Always a healthy commission cheque in September.:D
Which means that in some way, I'm still paying for my first stereo, as I've yet to pay it back completely.

Beer>nose.


By the way, my first system, Yamaha Natural sound integrated, Boston Acoustics BA200 speakers, Denon TT and Grado gold cartridge. I think it ended up being about $2k in 1980's money. Loved it. Still not completely paid for.

Right now I'm listening to a (circa 1964) Fisher 800c tuner,(circa 1992) ESS AMT II's and a cast off PC (circa 2008) + an m-audio 24/96 USB (circa 2010).
About $100 in garage sale money.
You can have it good, you can have it cheap, you can have it quick. Pick any two.
 
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In order to put together a quality budget system successfully, you have to be willing (a) to doggedly visit local thrift stores every few days, (b) to check out little used emporiums when you're on vacation in the hinterlands, (c) to read craigslist ads (and the local equivalent) every day, (d) to be prepared for quick trips into the middle of nowhere (a good GPS sometimes helps), (d) to be disappointed when an item is not "as advertised", (e) to interact with people and drive a bargain, if necessary, (f) to do enough research so that you can be relatively decisive about what's worth buying/pursuing and what's not....and so on. Also, you need a little luck from time to time.

I "get" that not everyone is into the above. And it can be time-consuming. Not everyone has the time for dogged pursuit and the less time you have, the more patient you have to be. It cost me only about $150 but almost two years to get my current office system to the point where I'm reasonably content with its performance.

For me, music is a hobby AND collecting and researching stereo gear is a hobby. Those whose focus is primarily the music will either have to make due with what they can afford to buy at the local audio shop -- or save their pennies until they can afford something better. However, having said that, I'll also say that if I added up all my equipment repairs, the cost of all the amps and speakers sitting in the garage that I can't or won't flip, the gas that i've used driving to remote areas to have a look at something purely on spec, the time that I've spent when I could have been doing something more "productive" -- then the cost advantage becomes a little more questionable.

But a hobby is its own reward.


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absolutely. Almost my entire holding of gear is from Goodwill or Salvation Army. Dollars invested as needed for repairs and restoration.

I don't believe the term "audiophile" is defined in any way by a dollar figure.
And don't let anyone tell you it is !
 
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