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Is It The End?

Change is hard. There's no one to blame. It's changing for a lot of reasons.

And I'm pretty sure "crappy music" isn't one of them. If it were, music would have died at the transition from pre-war pop to the swing era, then again from swing to bop, then again from bop to 50's rock and roll, then again from 50's rock to The Beatles, then again from The Beatles to REO Speedwagon, then again....oh wait, maybe music is dying. But I'm pretty sure it isn't. There's more good music out there now than ever before in my middle-aged lifetime.
 
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Vintage_Hi-F said:
Anyways back on topic. I fully agree with Similost, the RIAA has brought all this on them selves. For the longest time the stamped there feat like a little girl and refused to change. "Legal online downloads, why would we want to do that?" and then when they finally "embrace" some new technology they sell them selves short look at what's happening with iTunes and the like. They also fudge the numbers here while CD sales may be at an all time low legal individual downloads are at there highest. People are buying there music (well most) but that doesn't win the any sympathy so they don't advertise that. Honestly if they were to collapse it would probably be for the best, especially now that they've been whining about second hand CD sales. Talk about crybabys.
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As much as I dislike the RIAA bullying tactics and philosophy, I think that they have only one part in the puzzle here. And it's not that people don't care anymore- I think that the ability to distinguish fine-ness and high fidelity has been diminished with the advent of Bose miniatuarized stuff, ipods and all of the low fidelity periphs that go along with them have caused a shift in expectation.

Yes... lets bring it back onto the topic of my original musings...
 
As one of the younger folks here on AK I can tell you what the killer is in the all important 18-25 range, video games. Seems i'm the only one who could care less about them , I would say a good portion of people I know would glady wait at a store till midnight to procure th new b***plug adventure 2. Then glady throw down 50 or 60 for it , go home and buy a bunch of other expansions and what not to the tune of more money, and they do this all the time. Video(games) killed the radio star.

I'd say nearly directly related is whay I call "music ADD" for some reason most kids about my age can not put on a song and play it through, let alone a whole album.
They will change the song every 30 seconds and it drives me mad. It is running rampant in our youth and is ruining good music everywhere. Please bring attention to this hidden scourge , possibly by breaking the "next track" button.

I am pro tangible media, I like to get the whole exprience. I am anti riaa ,the artist never really made any money from record sales anyways so why pay big brother?
However most of all I'm anti video games, the bane of new music everywhere.
 
JarredCrowe said:
As one of the younger folks here on AK I can tell you what the killer is in the all important 18-25 range, video games. Seems i'm the only one who could care less about them , I would say a good portion of people I know would glady wait at a store till midnight to procure th new b***plug adventure 2. Then glady throw down 50 or 60 for it , go home and buy a bunch of other expansions and what not to the tune of more money, and they do this all the time. Video(games) killed the radio star.

I'd say nearly directly related is whay I call "music ADD" for some reason most kids about my age can not put on a song and play it through, let alone a whole album.
They will change the song every 30 seconds and it drives me mad. It is running rampant in our youth and is ruining good music everywhere. Please bring attention to this hidden scourge , possibly by breaking the "next track" button.

I am pro tangible media, I like to get the whole exprience. I am anti riaa ,the artist never really made any money from record sales anyways so why pay big brother?
However most of all I'm anti video games, the bane of new music everywhere.
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Excellent post! It all makes so much sense.
Thanks.
 
JarredCrowe said:
As one of the younger folks here on AK I can tell you what the killer is in the all important 18-25 range, video games. Seems i'm the only one who could care less about them , I would say a good portion of people I know would glady wait at a store till midnight to procure th new b***plug adventure 2. Then glady throw down 50 or 60 for it , go home and buy a bunch of other expansions and what not to the tune of more money, and they do this all the time. Video(games) killed the radio star.

I'd say nearly directly related is whay I call "music ADD" for some reason most kids about my age can not put on a song and play it through, let alone a whole album.
They will change the song every 30 seconds and it drives me mad. It is running rampant in our youth and is ruining good music everywhere. Please bring attention to this hidden scourge , possibly by breaking the "next track" button.

I am pro tangible media, I like to get the whole exprience. I am anti riaa ,the artist never really made any money from record sales anyways so why pay big brother?
However most of all I'm anti video games, the bane of new music everywhere.
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Interesting that you mention the video games. Notice the big titles like Madden include new tracks, sometimes before the actual album is released. (This was the case with Cypress Hill "Get 'Em Up" and maybe even that Woflmother song from a few years ago.)

New video games are melding movies, music, and gaming into one. They can be, and actually are, a source of revenue for the labels, and in theory, the artists, as well.
 
Anytime, as a younger person I'm often obligated to be in the trenches and see the war on high fidelity and tangible media first hand. "The horror....the horror."
 
So a handful of newer artist and songs have sprung a life after their video game appearance, and That is in fact a good thing. I'd say the numbers are too few though.
How many of those people that you suppose learned about the song from madden and went out and bought the album? Let alone went out and tried to procure a better copy, ala sacd? I'd say when it came time to fork over the cash they bought the new madden. I'm not sure but it does seem more likely to me.
 
JarredCrowe said:
So a handful of newer artist and songs have sprung a life after their video game appearance, and That is in fact a good thing. I'd say the numbers are too few though.
How many of those people that you suppose learned about the song from madden and went out and bought the album? Let alone went out and tried to procure a better copy, ala sacd? I'd say when it came time to fork over the cash they bought the new madden. I'm not sure but it does seem more likely to me.
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Probably so, but my point is that EA had to pay the record labels to use the songs.

Have you played Gran Turismo 5? It actually has a jukebox that lets you pick tracks. It has a huge Jazz section. So, when I bought Gran Turismo 5, I also effectively bought 20+ Jazz tunes that I can play on demand. (Not to get too far off topic but since this is an audio nerd forum :D I did note that GT5 lets you adjust the dynamic range of the audio in the game.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_5#Soundtrack
 
JarredCrowe said:
I'd say when it came time to fork over the cash they bought the new madden.
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Speaking of which, my 7 year old son has been playing the heck out of Madden 11 and I'm slowly but surely getting tired of hearing Ozzy's "Crazy Train", AC/DC "Thunderstuck" and Kiss "Rock and Roll all Nite". He's decided I need to put some Ozzy on his mp3 player though.
 
I have not,I don't have a current gen console and none of my contemporaries seem into it. I can admit in my younger days Gran Turismo was the game for me and it is true especially in the later titles they've had a rather comprehensive track list. Would I be completely out of place though to think many gt fans are more mature gamers?
Seemed the majority I've met are usually older are those mature for their age. Younger "hiper" kids seem to play driving games like need for speed underground and that sort. I'd say sony has an idea that with that more mature audience there is a more likely an appreciation for music and in differnt forms other than top 40.

If most any game is doing us a favor it's that one.
 
JarredCrowe said:
As one of the younger folks here on AK I can tell you what the killer is in the all important 18-25 range, video games. Seems i'm the only one who could care less about them , I would say a good portion of people I know would glady wait at a store till midnight to procure th new b***plug adventure 2. Then glady throw down 50 or 60 for it , go home and buy a bunch of other expansions and what not to the tune of more money, and they do this all the time. Video(games) killed the radio star.

I'd say nearly directly related is whay I call "music ADD" for some reason most kids about my age can not put on a song and play it through, let alone a whole album.
They will change the song every 30 seconds and it drives me mad. It is running rampant in our youth and is ruining good music everywhere. Please bring attention to this hidden scourge , possibly by breaking the "next track" button.

I am pro tangible media, I like to get the whole exprience. I am anti riaa ,the artist never really made any money from record sales anyways so why pay big brother?
However most of all I'm anti video games, the bane of new music everywhere.
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What about Guitar Hero or Rock Band they're a blast to play?:yes:
 
just dave said:
What about Guitar Hero or Rock Band they're a blast to play?:yes:
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I can not argue this , worst addiction I ever had lol
I almost had to unlearn how to play the real instrument but it is fun.

Kinda mean to me how they're willing to sell you all these other songs after the fact though. For the price I'd want them all.
 
finnbow said:
Until the RIAA comes up with a viable business model for the digital age, it will continue to get worse.
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If the success of Netflix instant watch is any indication, an unlimited subscription model may be a solution for the decline in sales. It isn't something I would be interested in, but I think a lot of people would pay for a similar program geared toward music.
 
JarredCrowe said:
As one of the younger folks here on AK I can tell you what the killer is in the all important 18-25 range, video games. Seems i'm the only one who could care less about them , I would say a good portion of people I know would glady wait at a store till midnight to procure th new b***plug adventure 2. Then glady throw down 50 or 60 for it , go home and buy a bunch of other expansions and what not to the tune of more money, and they do this all the time. Video(games) killed the radio star.

I'd say nearly directly related is whay I call "music ADD" for some reason most kids about my age can not put on a song and play it through, let alone a whole album.
They will change the song every 30 seconds and it drives me mad. It is running rampant in our youth and is ruining good music everywhere. Please bring attention to this hidden scourge , possibly by breaking the "next track" button.

I am pro tangible media, I like to get the whole exprience. I am anti riaa ,the artist never really made any money from record sales anyways so why pay big brother?
However most of all I'm anti video games, the bane of new music everywhere.
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Dude I think you are dead on with this and I kind of feel stupid for not thinking to write it first. It seems like so many people are "gamers" now, and one of the reasons I got out of that whole thing after high school is because, due to the complexity of today's games (computer games in particular), they are literally life-consuming. People can easily sit in front of one of these games for 8+ hours, and if any of you have ever played a highly involved video game for a long time, you know that coming out of it you feel like a zombie.
 
Thank you Mr. Lin and you're on point as well. The times they are a changin, people "game" now. I hate to be one of those types that says they'll rot your brain, but maybe they were right all along. Hmmm

That's a good looking cat btw. :)
 
Downloading that one song

is what is killing the industry. The kids today have re verted back to what it was in the 50's,the single. Instead of buying a full length recording they just download the one song they like and add it to all the other stuff "they like" and live in a mixed world. Slap on your ear buds and crank up your ipod and enjoy their crappy compressed sound. :boring:
 
On a positive note, I believe that more artists are going independent and realizing they don't need to become record company slaves to make a living at making music. Sure they may never play stadiums, but they can make a living writing the music they love and playing small concerts for people who love their music. Independent distribution is a lot more work, but the musician ends up with more money in their pocket.
 
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