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JBL L300

Try to get us some additional pics of the speakers as you have them now, including the sides, back, tops, and full fronts. Also if the grilles and glass are there. Also, a quick look with the current woofers removed to check the baffle opening and T-nuts, crossover box on the floor, and the general interior of the cabinet. Who knows what has been done internally to these speakers?

Owner's Manual:
http://www.jbl.com/images/media/L300_OM_EN.pdf

http://www.cieri.net/temp/L300.pdf

Some pics to illustrate the beauty of this system:

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This last picture is of mine:
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Not sure what you mean about the April 1st thing. Would it be a cardinal sin to install some relatively inexpensive woofers until the proper replacement comes along? I would like to have better than junk car subwoofers installed to hear in them. :-)

Like was mentioned earlier, why waste $150 on some temporary woofers when that could be a large chunk towards the proper ones?

They worked "fine" for a long time, so just live with it. They probably are an upgrade over your current speakers anyway. If you want, pull one of the woofers to ID the model and see what the frequency response is. The L300 crosses over at 800hz, so 1600hz would give you an octave past the nominal point and might not leave too much of a lower mid hole.
 
Thank you for the pictures and the advice in the post. I will also check the specs of the current woofers. Here are some pictures of them before doing anything to them, since I have not had time to do more than play them for a few minutes so far.

The picture with my thumb is the worst spot on the cabinets. They are in amazing shape considering that they were hauled around in the back of a pickup going to and from the previous owner's dj gigs. No grills, glass, or lenses. I have a sick family to care for, so it may be a while before I can get inside much. I took one woofer out, and the installer had just wrapped the wires on the terminal, no connector. just loose. He said that he had re-wired them, I doubt he did much.

The products you mentioned are familiar to me, I work in a hardware store, and we stock most of the items you mentioned. I also have some relatives that make cabinets, I can ask them for advice as well.

Beautiful piano too by the way.
 

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Dude hauled them around to DJ gigs?:eek:

Kinda sounds like my Altec Model 15s...guy I got them from did the exact same thing...hauled 'em around for years. Kinda rough on that infamous bent horn the 15s are "blessed" with...and needless to say the cabs are VERY rough. I'm with most of the others here...enjoy them as they are right now...invest a few bucks on cosmetics & lenses & meanwhile continue to search for the correct woofers. In the end, you'll be VERY happy you kept them.
 
Thank you for the pictures and the advice in the post. I will also check the specs of the current woofers. Here are some pictures of them before doing anything to them, since I have not had time to do more than play them for a few minutes so far.

The picture with my thumb is the worst spot on the cabinets. They are in amazing shape considering that they were hauled around in the back of a pickup going to and from the previous owner's dj gigs. No grills, glass, or lenses. I have a sick family to care for, so it may be a while before I can get inside much. I took one woofer out, and the installer had just wrapped the wires on the terminal, no connector. just loose. He said that he had re-wired them, I doubt he did much.

The products you mentioned are familiar to me, I work in a hardware store, and we stock most of the items you mentioned. I also have some relatives that make cabinets, I can ask them for advice as well.

Beautiful piano too by the way.

Thanks! This use of consumer JBL's for DJ or sound reinforcement use is not uncommon. The fact that they can keep up with those needs speaks to the toughness and power handling. The Professional Monitor equivalent is the 4333 series and those saw regular high power use in studios.

The cabinets look in pretty good condition. The worst that you point out might be recoverable if veneer isn't gone, otherwise a small veneer transplant or some deft filler, stain, and grain painting should work.

The L300's had a 3 inch tall base that they sat on, originally made of particle board or plywood. Looks like they are gone, which is no big loss as they typically fall apart from a lot of use or moisture exposure. The holes for the screw mountings are still in the bottom of the cabinet so its easy to make new bases out of appropriate wood stock. You can search AK for that. Or you can get Zonker92 to point you to his thread about homemade bases for the JBL 4430 to get an idea of how to build some additional bases with casters that look great with walnut cabinets.

Given your hardware knowledge and cabinet resources, sounds like they will clean up nicely!

Regarding the woofers and rewiring, would be good to double check everything according to schematic. The JBL woofers work a little differently than typical polarity conventions (long story) so you can check that when you finally source a pair. In the meantime, you can check polarity issues with the woofers by just reversing one speaker's leads at the speaker relative to the other channel. Then listen to a mono music source and see if the bass gets better or worse. If better, the woofers or speakers were originally out of phase (one internally polarity reversed). Imaging should be dead center too. If worse bass or imaging diffuse and unfocused in the middle, then the speakers are the same polarity wise.

Dude hauled them around to DJ gigs?:eek:

Kinda sounds like my Altec Model 15s...guy I got them from did the exact same thing...hauled 'em around for years. Kinda rough on that infamous bent horn the 15s are "blessed" with...and needless to say the cabs are VERY rough. I'm with most of the others here...enjoy them as they are right now...invest a few bucks on cosmetics & lenses & meanwhile continue to search for the correct woofers. In the end, you'll be VERY happy you kept them.

The set I had were used as stage monitors for the seller's father's band...

He also told me that they were used as stage monitors for an establishment in Toledo before he got them when the business closed.

Yeah, pretty crazy what people will do with speakers. As stage monitors, they're pretty damn big to be pointing back at the performers. Course they would make wicked keyboard, bass or guitar speakers.

At this point, it is important to mention that if used in the above applications, there will be a future need to have the LE85 midrange compression driver and 077 slot tweeter driver diaphragms checked by a known JBL service center in your area or state, or by a known competent shop very familiar with JBL like Orange County Speaker Repair. Let us know where you are and we can supply references. For now, if they're playing, leave them be. They are not all that easy to remove, and even harder to take apart and put back together properly. Highly powerful magnets which attract screwdrivers faster than you can catch them.

That is the plan, and they will get some TLC too.

Good luck. As for the family medical problems, I hear you as I'm in the same situation with my daughter and her long term medical issues. She's in the hospital right now going on 3 weeks since getting sick on day 2 of a vacation. So we're 400 miles from home dealing with this. PM me if you would like someone to talk to about coping, or medical questions. I have a medical background.
 
Thank You mech986. You are most helpful. I am very sorry to hear about your daughter, that is terrible. I hope she is better soon. It is a helpless feeling indeed, isn't it. My girls (Two daughters and my wife) have hand, foot, and mouth disease. Not life threatening, just very painful. You can PM me as well, if there is anything I can help you with.
 
Something else to consider - sometimes you can buy a single driver for less than 1/2 of the price of a pair, so keep an eye on sources like eBay. Buy one, buy the second when another appears.
 
Sam is right on single woofer purchase. A single original, even needing re edging, could be had a little cheaper.:yes: If you see a clean pair of 136a's for $500 though, that would be a great buy.
 

Thread is ok but more like speculation rather than good physics and facts. JBL worked with engineering, physics, and acoustics, and had a lot of interesting ideas.

JBL brochure on lenses, how they work, and polar measurments in vertical and horizontal planes. Yes, they do work to provide better dispersion than otherwise would have occurred with the horns of the day.

http://www.jblpro.com/pub/obsolete/Acoustic_Lens_Family1.pdf

The original explanation article by George Augspurger, google him for his engineering expertise and products:
http://www.diyaudio.rs/JBL/JBL - The Acoustical Lens (1962).pdf

http://www.lansingheritage.org/html/jbl/reference/technical/lens.htm

As for why no one else used them, horn driven loudspeakers for home use was pretty much limited to only a few manufacturers (JBL, Altec, Klipsch) because of the length of horns needed, compression drivers being costly and heavy, and home speakers tending to be much smaller. The huge improvement in efficiency was outweighed by these home consideration whereas in professional and sound reinforcement it wasn't a big issue till the last 10-20 years.

Horn design in general has tried to eliminate dispersion problems with compression drivers working into space with traditional horns. JBL and EV had the BiRadial horns, then developed flat faced versions, then newer types of controlled dispersion horns over the past 20 years. External lenses like the acoustical lenses were used on existing conical, rectangular, or exponential horns of the 50's and 60's. As math, acoustics and design/manufacturing entered into the computer age and formed plastics, vastly different shapes, profiles, and modeling became much easier to implement.
 
Find a bottle of Howards Restore-a-Finish and give that wood veneer a good oiling down. Looks like they could really use a drink to renew the wood.
Afterwards you can wipe them with Howards Feed and Wax about twice a year to maintain the wood.
 
I actually read some of those a few minutes ago. Thank you. I am thinking about trying to get some made of wood. I like the looks of them, and varnished up they should reflect the sound about the same as plastic. The stands sound like a good idea as well, as they are a bit low to the ground. And casters would be good to have for obvious reasons as well.

@hjames, I think I may use formby's conditioning refinisher and then use a bit of stain to touch up before using minwax antique oil finish. There are a few odd paint spots and the one nick that will need work that the howards will not fix. the refinisher will remove the paint, and clean everything really well.
 
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Sometimes a lot of that paint will just chip off cleanly with a sharp edge used carefully or a plastic or steel putty knife.
Again, care is required, but it will make less work for the refinisher, and a quicker job too.
 
Congrates... I was hoping you would keep them, probably will be a long time before you can remotely touch the dollar / speaker-value ratio on that deal.

FWIW, it is common practice for the 136a's to be reconed as 2435's, I think the 136a kits have been out of production for many years, definitely unobtainable. Also it is not recommended to re-foam original woofers if you were to have them, been there done it don't understand why. I have talked to local house about re-coning mine as 2435's, it is approx. 200$ a piece, so if you can baskets real cheap you have that option.

As far as the lenses are concerned. In my opinion they are required for home usage, without I found the mid-range horns offensive to my ears, with they are not an issue.

Like you I found mine on the cheap, rotted foams, a couple of cabinet issues from being moved cross country and risers needing replaced. When I decided to re-foam mine I was unemployed for over an year and was heavily considering parting them out on Ebay. I am so happy I decide not to, they are truly a great speaker and with the correct woofer I am sure you will find the bottom end impressive.

One of these days I will get the woofers re-coned and an big amp to drive them properly, I current run 30 watt tube amps and am quite satisfied
 
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