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JBL or ADS?

Re: L570 they are quite nice. They compare (favorably) with nearly any 80s-90s quality 2-way and hold up well today. I own a set, they aren't leaving.

Re: L166* vs L1290, I'd bet they will be comparable on the bottom end. There will be qualitative differences between each but pretty close. I might give the L1290 the nod for punch but that could also be my own bias. The real issue for me would be the midrange & treble balance, which images the best, and which sounds natural on a wide range of vocals? Both will be good but personal preference as to which one is "better". Only listening will tell.

Good Luck!

*The ADS equivalent of the L166 was the L980 bookshelf -

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There is no comparison from the L166 to the ADS L980! The ADS spank the JOBs! I've owned both, and the JBLs are gone, and the ADS remain!
 
Thanks again everyone for your advice and suggestions. Also, a Huge thanks to a couple of local members for letting me listen to some of their speakers. In some cases results were surprising - speakers I didnt expect to like I really did and ones that have a serious following here were not as amazing as I expected based on what I read about them. Not to say that they were poor - they were very good, but I have seen and even have speakers that sound as good or better to my ear. Of course, all this is subjective. But so far my search is still on - I would like to find something that really stands out when compared to the ones I already own, before I can justify a serious expense.
 
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Thanks again everyone for your advice and suggestions. Also, a Huge thanks to a couple of local members for letting me listen to some of their speakers. In some cases results were surprising - speakers I didnt expect to like I really did and ones that have a serious following here were not as amazing as I expected based on what I read about them. Not to say that they were poor - they were very good, but I have seen and even have speakers that sound as good or better to my ear. Of course, all this is subjective. But so far my search is still on - I would like to find something that really stands out when compared to the ones I already own, before I can justify a serious expense.
Curious to hear what you listened to, and which were the surprises.
 
I appreciate many of the classic JBLs and even though there are better JBLs than my L100s (The ones your looking at included) but the forward mid, rolled off tweet, "intrusive woofer" are all music to my ears.....they were the expensive common man speak of my teen years and almost all music was tested through them. Now ADS L810s and up? They are generally a cut above (strengths/very smallish weaknesses aside) are speaks that still intrude into modern tech smoooth and you have a classic of classics too. Those L1290s though are special......and easy to keep/easy to sell.
 
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Curious to hear what you listened to, and which were the surprises.

Well, I got to play with JBL L100T3, Klipsch Forte II, Marantz Imperial 8, ADS L 570/2, ADS L780.
While All are very nice and respectable speakers, I was most surprised by Marantz. As I understand, Marantz is NOT known for their speakers, but these were very very good. Most of these sounded somewhat different with different music - Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Dire Straits. Marantz did a very good job with ALL of them, while others clearly handled different music in different ways - some better, some worse. Klipsch could sound too bright at times (with Jethro Tull), JBL a bit too boomy. ADS were good, but a bit soft (I guess thats the best way to say it).
I'm yet to try bigger ADS. But based on what I heard so far, makes me pretty happy and content with my KG4, my Jensens System 500 and most of all - Synergistics S62A. Plus I have a few others that are not bad at all, even compared to the ones I looked at.
 
Sometimes the brands you least expect to sound good do. At the last Frankenfest gathering, there were a pair of Sylvanias, and we were all surprised at how good they sounded. Marantz, Sylvanias, and plenty others I would probably pass on, but hearing them can be an eye opener.
Regarding ADS being soft compared to Klipschs and others, they are a bit more relaxed, but are very detailed, not harsh like Klipsch's can be, and others. I had KG2's, and liked them a lot, but they were too bright for my ears.
You have a nice collection of gear!
 
L166's over the a/d/s L1290's most assuredly

Lately, I have noticed that JBL's get a bad rap from internet "audiophiles" but L166's are different.
They are a good sounding speaker

I sold a pair of L1290's recently. Sound ok, but way too big and clumsy
I do not regret it one bit.
JMWO (just my worthless opinion) ;-)
 
I wouldn't take the L166 over L1290's, all other things being equal. I own L112's which are clearly better in all respects than the L166, and although I very much enjoy them, the mid/hi performance of the ADS drivers is superior IMO. Different sound, so I can see people going either way, but I find the ADS more accurate. Hard to beat a large dome mid/dome tweeter combination.

John
 
What do you mean by the mid high performance is better? I think ADS runs their highs louder. i dont think that's necessarily better. Compared with JBLs that have a rep for accuracy. To the point of being industry standards in their time. The ADS highs are just louder. To me at least... Wouldn't that make them less accurate? Lots of people say JBL highs and mids are too in their faces. I think ADS kicks that up a notch. A ton of the music produced over the last 50 years has been mixed on JBL...
 
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I have L1290 now and had KG4's about a year ago. The 1290's are like a glass of fine wine.

I am with you on the KG4. They were my first experience with horn speakers and I found them to NOT sound honky in any way. Having heard two pair of Forte....I prefer the less "in your face" smoothness of the KG4 and I even prefer the looks (grill on...don't care to look at white plastic woofers)
 
I haven't read the entire thread and I am sure many have posted both ways. The reality is they are just different and neither is bad although they both have their bad models. In speakers, there are always trade offs. Horns bring a very dynamic "live" sound. Electrostats bring a smoothness and immediacy that can make you think you are in the room with Norah Jones or a three piece acoustic jazz band, but they wouldn't be my choice for AC/DC.. if you catch my drift. Dynamic or cone speakers sort of merge both of those worlds.. not all that well.. ADS are much more like electrostats without the purest refinement and absolute clearness and immediacy, while JBLs tend to lean much more toward the horn side of the world.. not as refined, but much more capable of presenting like you are in concert.. It's all a trade off.. I, like many of us, have way too many speakers.. for exactly that reason. It's like going to a brew pub, wine cafe, Bourbon bar or great sandwich deli and trying to decide which one is best.. All good speakers have their merits and shortcomings. None of them is best. You cannot achieve Nirvana.. at least not until you settle for something that gets you close enough that you listen to the music and the speakers go away from your mind. See my tag... :)
 
JBL L166 or ADS L1290?

I had L112 and 4311 and tested them against ADS L1290/2. ADS won without any problem.

To me, classic JBL speakers are not as good as ADS L1290. Classic JBL speakers have great following, so they bring good money on eBay, no problem to sell. Classic JBL are more common that ADS L1290.
So I sold JBL and keep ADS L1290.

Very important to me, L1290 has tower design and look absolutely gorgeous.
Metal grills, very nice walnut/maybe rosewood light veneer (contrary to dark JBL walnut), beautiful tower proportions, very high WAF.
 
I meant better, as in more accurate. I don't think there are a lot of people that would agree that the ADS L1290 is forward (louder if you will) in the HF region when compared to an L166, particularly given it's using a 3/4" doped fabric dome vs. the 1" phenolic dome of the 033 tweeter that's been hardened with vapor-deposited aluminum. Then you get down into the midrange where you're matching a 2" dome mid in the ADS against a 5" coned midrange with the JBL. I think the ADS plays higher too, though the JBL is able to be fairly flat out to 20K based on reviews anyway. The two are relatively close in overall efficiency on paper at least, 89 dB/SPL vs. 90.

But, these really is a first world comparison as both speakers are worthy of listening to. At the end it's the owner's ears that'll decide, not ours.

John

What do you mean by the mid high performance is better? I think ADS runs their highs louder. i dont think that's necessarily better. Compared with JBLs that have a rep for accuracy. To the point of being industry standards in their time. The ADS highs are just louder. To me at least... Wouldn't that make them less accurate? Lots of people say JBL highs and mids are too in their faces. I think ADS kicks that up a notch. A ton of the music produced over the last 50 years has been mixed on JBL...
 
I just read this post above... then I went to look at reviews. First one i clicked on.

Check out this guys review. From here http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speakers/floorstanding-speakers/ads/l1290/prd_118935_1594crx.aspx

Bottom Line:
As a former Audio Store manager in SoCal where we sold the ADS line, here is my overall impression of the L1290 and L1590. BRIGHT, very forward upper midrange. Actually quite pleasant at lower volumes, but the domes are horrible at louder levels . When compared to cones, which can easily achieve higher dynamic levels, the domes fail outright when pushed too hard.....

It goes on but you get the point....

I personally think that if you are listening to a record and youre using the same speakers it was mixed on I dont think you can get more accurate. For instance lots of Zeppelin was mixed using L100s with LE20s. How can you say any speaker is going to represent what the artist intended you to hear better than L100s with LE20s. I dont think its possible.

I have L166s and L810s which look really similar to L1290s. Many of the same drivers. Ill put them side by side and AB them this week.
 
Can we first admit between us that a "former manager of an audio store" i.e. a frigging salesman is NOT the ultimate authority on speaker performance? Anyone can post a review on that site, doesn't make them a legit source in my book. I would not be surprised at all to find that they had the tweeter levels cranked to the max (louder in stores usually sells faster, esp. back then). He goes on to say in the same review that the L1590 "really needs a sub" which is fairly idiotic, in fact.

As to the rest, that would be a great argument, BUT nobody used L166 to mix records professionally, they mainly used the pro monitor series stuff which at the time had a cone tweeter of limited HF extension, i.e. the 4311 (L100 was the consumer version). I say that as a guy that was working at a store (and not in sales, either) that sold JBL consumer and pro lines in 1977, when a lot of this stuff was current.

The L166 is a fine speaker, for sure. It has - measurably - a better tweeter and better woofer than the 4311 you are using as a reference point for your argument. It's generally regarded a better speaker for home audio reproduction than the L100/4311, but those advantages also mean that you are NOT listening to a record using the same speakers it was mixed on.

The L810 are not as close to the L1290 as they are the L1230 (which I also own) but it'll still make an interesting A/B assuming both sets are in good working order which isn't a given at this age, and that the set up in the room is correct for both. I found the L810 to be sensitive to placement and didn't care overly for the bass response - a little "boxy" compared to my L710, L96, L112 etc. but others here have suggested they do better when placed optimally.

John
 
L166s wernt used to mix records. But they were voiced with the same idea in mind.

If you listen to ADS all the time. Then you listen to JBL. Youre going to be like... Where are the highs!? When actually youve just been blasting the highs on your ADSs the whole time.
 
L166s wernt used to mix records. But they were voiced with the same idea in mind.
You have to remember that the 4310 and 4311 (from which came the L100) were studio monitors voiced to mimic the commonly used Altecs of the day. Such monitors are called "control" monitors. Monitors with intentionally flat response are generally referred to as "studio" monitors.

My L112 is the home version of the 4411 Studio Monitor and I also have 4345 and 4412A Studio Monitors, in addition to the lovely small LSR305s and various other JBLs that are the home-version of other studio monitors. My ears have gotten used to a linear response so I have become conditioned to that sound—just like the old-time engineers were conditioned to hear the colored sound of the Altecs. I can adapt and enjoy other people's systems, but I still prefer the sound of mine. Putting other speakers in the same room for comparison will always highlight the differences, but until your ears get used to it in time you might not be the best judge of which is "best". At that point it's just an opinion of a preference.

I've had JBLs in my home for almost 60-years. Do you think that's unlikely to affect my opinion?
 
You all will laugh at me, but after all this, I came across some Boston Acoustics T930 - and I like how they sound best after everything else I listened. So, I picked those up. Go figure....
 
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