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Jriver vs Roon

Almonds

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Has anybody had experience with either or both of these coupled with Mcintosh gear?

I was researching Roon but then I heard about Jriver and it seemed like a much cheaper option that does the same thing.

Thoughts?

Edit:
I have all the hardware required for Roon, so I'm looking for software solutions only.
I have a Mcintosh MA9000 and and old Macbook.
 
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Yes, I have run both with my McGear. They have different interfaces, different options for streaming & the programming options are very different.

J. River is much cheaper but Roon has it's advantages. I used JRiver for about 5 years and switched over to Roon. Here's a thread on my experience with implementing Roon:

https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/the-roon-diaries-tips-tricks.843484/

I liked it so much that I paid the lifetime subscription fee before my first year was over.
 
Yes, I have run both with my McGear. They have different interfaces, different options for streaming & the programming options are very different.

J. River is much cheaper but Roon has it's advantages. I used JRiver for about 5 years and switched over to Roon. Here's a thread on my experience with implementing Roon:

https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/the-roon-diaries-tips-tricks.843484/

I liked it so much that I paid the lifetime subscription fee before my first year was over.

Thanks for the info! I'll definitely try out the free trial with Roon!
 
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Thanks for the info! I'll definitely try out the free trial with Roon!
have Roon lifetime also. I also have the tidal and Qobuz audiophile streaming membership. Qobuz beats Tidal about 90 percent of time and is cheaper.

roon also does DSD well. If your into that checkout sonore Ultrarendu and opticalrendu for enpoint. Then a moon audio matrix to a DSD DAC.with HDMI inputs. Roon puts the music of the world at your fingertips every room in your house if you have many endpoint devices set up. I recommend Small Green Computer to make ot plug and play.
 
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have Roon lifetime also. I also have the tidal and Qobuz audiophile streaming membership. Qobuz beats Tidal about 90 percent of time and is cheaper.

roon also does DSD well. If your into that checkout sonore Ultrarendu and opticalrendu for enpoint. Then a moon audio matrix to a DSD DAC.with HDMI inputs. Roon puts the music of the world at your fingertips every room in your house if you have many endpoint devices set up. I recommend Small Green Computer to make ot plug and play.

shoot, I have another thread going in the forum and i thought I had mentioned all the relevant info in this post, but I didn't.

I have all the equipment I need to set up Roon right now. (old macbook, ipads laying around, and the built in DAC on a Mcintosh MA9000)
So, I don't want any more hardware. Mostly for money reasons, i'm past budget already!
 
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shoot, I have another thread going in the forum and i thought I had mentioned all the relevant info in this post, but I didn't.

I have all the equipment I need to set up Roon right now. (old macbook, ipads laying around, and the built in DAC on a Mcintosh MA9000)
So, I don't want any more hardware. Mostly for money reasons, i'm past budget already!
t is a good start using a computer. Depending on your system fidelity a future dedicated streamer will really add enjoyment by lowering noise floor an a closer to analog or better depending on your vinyl rig. I am used to being beyond budget. The best solution the more you like the hobby the bigger the budget or avoid listening to better sounding systems. Yours will be better than the majority going into it. But damn this hobby will suck you in. If your happy discovering better sound.
 
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t is a good start using a computer. Depending on your system fidelity a future dedicated streamer will really add enjoyment by lowering noise floor an a closer to analog or better depending on your vinyl rig. I am used to being beyond budget. The best solution the more you like the hobby the bigger the budget or avoid listening to better sounding systems. Yours will be better than the majority going into it. But damn this hobby will suck you in. If your happy discovering better sound.

As far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong...
The MA 9000 has an excellent DAC built in and Roon has the capability of sending bit perfect digital music to the Mcintosh, so the digital music should be approaching perfect? I know there's probably always something that can be improved, but digital is digital, and Mcintosh is Mcintosh and I'm guessing we're getting to the point of diminishing returns.
 
Digital is digital but remember that those files can be from different sources and quality will vary.

Your McIntosh will do a fine job of decoding the digital music files. However I don't think it will decode DSD. One nice feature of Roon is that you can set parameters for DSD playback and it will play those files as a PCM/FLAC file up to 24 bit/192 kHz resolution. You select the resolution value that you want through the Roon setup menu.
 
Digital is digital but remember that those files can be from different sources and quality will vary.

Your McIntosh will do a fine job of decoding the digital music files. However I don't think it will decode DSD. One nice feature of Roon is that you can set parameters for DSD playback and it will play those files as a PCM/FLAC file up to 24 bit/192 kHz resolution. You select the resolution value that you want through the Roon setup menu.

Yes the MA9000 supports DSD up to 256!
 
As far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong...
The MA 9000 has an excellent DAC built in and Roon has the capability of sending bit perfect digital music to the Mcintosh, so the digital music should be approaching perfect? I know there's probably always something that can be improved, but digital is digital, and Mcintosh is Mcintosh and I'm guessing we're getting to the point of diminishing returns.
My only McIntosh DAC is in a MX150. It doesn’t do DSD. When you are feeding a DAC through an external source it is easy to get jitter introduced in the signal. Noise from dource supplies and drives and extraneous software in a PCs syste , The quality of the USB cable, your modem and router s and their power supplies all play a role. The lower the noise floor and the jitter the more engaging and pleasing the music. But first get it up running then half the fun is improving it after you know your system and music.
 
If you like the performance of the internal DAC, and jitter presents itself, then look for a reclocker to remove the jitter from the digital signal path.

I use a Wyred4Sound Recovery USB reclocker in the signal path just upstream of my McIntosh D100. No more jitter in my system!
 
I've been listening to all my music from an apple airplay airport express and I've never heard jitter. So, either I can't detect it with my ears, or the Airplay device doesn't have it. I'm assuming (maybe incorrectly) that the Mcintosh MA9000 will be superior to the Airport Express.
 
I've been listening to all my music from an apple airplay airport express and I've never heard jitter. So, either I can't detect it with my ears, or the Airplay device doesn't have it. I'm assuming (maybe incorrectly) that the Mcintosh MA9000 will be superior to the Airport Express.

it is likely there. When it is improved you will hear it gone. The airport express switch mode power supply and apple TVs can be quite noisy. Often manifest as high frequency with lots of glare. Fire TV is even worse.
 
maybe I can't hear it because I'm 50 and have been listening to loud music with 15" woofers or 12" for 40 years.
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maybe I can't hear it because I'm 50 and have been listening to loud music with 15" woofers or 12" for 40 years.

Could be. I'm in my 60's, have excellent hearing (it's a miracle given some life experiences) and I can hear it when it is present. You might be thinking it's normal but if you reclock that signal you may notice a difference.
 
Just to be clear, these are software programs that allow you to play music, but they don't provide the music. If you install Roon, you'll still need a source for music - either downloaded / ripped music files stored on your computer or a streaming service - I also like Qobuz.

I am just starting with this and so far I'm using just the Qobuz program (provided free but you need to pay the monthly subscription price to stream anything) running on my MacBook Pro laptop connected via USB and fiber link to the DAC in my C47. That works and sound really good to me but the Qobuz program is a PITA to use and the interface only runs on the computer - I cannot control the computer playback from, say, a smart phone. Also, though it sound great to me, multiple sources are telling me that connecting the computer directly to the DAC as I am will not sound as good as with an end-point device that improves clock jitter.

So I will likely upgrade to Roon and add some hardware devices. JRiver seems to be waning and Roon seems to be the better, much more functional choice.

So Roon would be a step up (and more money) for me to provide a much better user interface including remote control from devices other than the one actually streaming, provide much better meta-data (album cover art, liner notes and other info about what's being played) and support of multi-room, multi-system playback from a central server in your house. The Roon interface will allow you to play your own files stored on your computer or streaming playback from most of the streaming services all from the same user interface.

To support multi-room playback, you need endpoint devices and DACs in each system. As mentioned above, the end-point devices talk to your Roon server via your home network to get whatever digital music stream you want to play and stream it to the local DAC. They may also provide a better digital connection to your DAC wrt jitter and so better sound quality than with a direct computer connections.

The term jitter is not indicative of the sound it produces - the music will not sound jittery. Jitter refers to variations in the clock signal rate that the DAC uses to decide when to convert each sample to analog. The clock needs to run at a constant rate so that the samples are converted to analog at a constant and correct rate. Generally, the DAC gets or derives the clock signal from the digital data stream such that the endpoint device feeding your DAC can affect or reduce (improve) clock rate jitter.

So clock jitter does not manifest as jittery sound, it manifests as weird noise that can be measured. You won't hear jitter as noise or hiss either, more like it will obscure detail and quiet sounds in the music. The effect is relatively subtle and not readily apparent from listening without comparisons.

I am still researching Roon and associated hardware, including endpoints. I am a little reluctant to spend money on Roon and especially Roon-specific hardware as software programs come and go and digital formats change with time.

Note the spell checker keeps wanting to replace "Roon" with "Soon" or "Room" so hopefully a caught and corrected all of the unwanted corrections.
 
JRiver is not waning. They still seem to be putting out newer version and patches, so until that stops, JRivier is still around.

Thanks for the correction.

I guess I should research what JRiver can do before I invest in Roon and associated hardware.
 
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