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KLH Model Twenty Four 24 What model Garrard Turntable is this?

redpackman

redpackman

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I need to know because it is missing the record changer spindle, in fact it doesn't even have the single play spindle, so I'm stuck. I've seen a number of Garrard spindles on eBay and elsewhere, but the sellers (thankfully) make it quite clear that the spindle they're offering does NOT fit every Garrard turntable. Thus I need to know what model the KLH 24 system has and or what spindle to look for which will fit it.

Thanks for the help.
 
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Yes it's a model 3000 changer. You can use the single and stacking spindles from any of the small chassis models in this series. Those would include model 30, 40, 50, 50 mkII, SL 55, 60, 60mkII, SL 65. There may be a few others in between there but nothing above SL-65 though, that's where the larger chassis units begin, also I'm not sure if you can use the stacking spindles from the newer B units or not (single play spindle should be fine though).
 
I second what other have said here, the Garrard model number is 3000, also 2025 is about the same. The automatic spindle is part number 70932. It is straight, not crooked, and at the bottom I would describe it as having a short dagger as opposed to a long piece with a hook or blob at the end. There are lots of the correct ones up on the auction site right now. The manual spindle is part number 59833, its the one with a flattened side with a bump at the top of the flattened edge. I can post pics if you need them.
 
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I am no expert, but this is what it looks like (I have a Model 24). If you don't have luck finding one, feel free to contact me, as I may have a spare single play spindle.
 
I have two KLH model 24 component stereo systems without the speakers. I agree that it is a Gerard 3000 turntable. However, it appears like KLH had Gerard mod some of the components of that turntable to fit KLH specifications. My question is does anybody know what kind of modifications were made at the behest of KLH? The reason I'm asking is I've already got a dual 1219 turntable with a Stanton 681 triple E cartridge, but I wonder if this is a kind of turntable that can be upgraded to possibly compete with that dual 1219 since KLH required Gerard to make modifications. Otherwise I might just part out the two Model 24s or maybe sell both of them together for parts or repair. I'm not really sure to what degree they work because I have not thoroughly tested them. So if any of you happen to still be alive on this thread, I wonder what your thoughts are. Thanks
 
That garrard will never compete with the 1219 in any category related to playing records. Limitations start at the arm and keep going. It's a solid daily player, but it's born kneecapped when it comes to refined performance.

If you want a garrard to beat the 1219, your best chance will be a zero 100 or sl95b. Unless you want to get into 301/401 territory they're just not of the same caliber. The 4hf is fantastic if you want to track at 5g.
 
5g is practically as heavy as my hand when I'm cleaning my records. But really, the main reason I asked is I just didn't know the KLH modifications that were made for them by Garrard and I thought well if they were in the tonearm and in the cart, I already know the preamp is going to be good, so maybe these are a diamond in the rough. Anyhow, I'll probably just be keeping my old Sansui around in case the Dual goes down but it been serviced so it'll probably last forever anyway. Thanks for your response.
 
Shanebow said:
I have two KLH model 24 component stereo systems without the speakers. I agree that it is a Gerard 3000 turntable. However, it appears like KLH had Gerard mod some of the components of that turntable to fit KLH specifications. My question is does anybody know what kind of modifications were made at the behest of KLH? The reason I'm asking is I've already got a dual 1219 turntable with a Stanton 681 triple E cartridge, but I wonder if this is a kind of turntable that can be upgraded to possibly compete with that dual 1219 since KLH required Gerard to make modifications. Otherwise I might just part out the two Model 24s or maybe sell both of them together for parts or repair. I'm not really sure to what degree they work because I have not thoroughly tested them. So if any of you happen to still be alive on this thread, I wonder what your thoughts are. Thanks
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One of the mods was installing a 4 pole motor, so KLH could use a Magnetic Cartridge successfully. Also, custom cosmetics and styling for KLH. A Dual 1219 won't fit a KLH Model 24 as it's a large chassis Dual. The easiest upgrade for you for a KLH Model 24 would be to install a Garrard AT-60 or AT-70 changer (which would be a nicer changer). The early KLH phonos had Garrard AT-6 changers fitted (a better changer).
 
loudnoises said:
That garrard will never compete with the 1219 in any category related to playing records. Limitations start at the arm and keep going. It's a solid daily player, but it's born kneecapped when it comes to refined performance.

If you want a garrard to beat the 1219, your best chance will be a zero 100 or sl95b. Unless you want to get into 301/401 territory they're just not of the same caliber. The 4hf is fantastic if you want to track at 5g.
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Those may not fit the KLH Model 24. The Garrard AutoSlim changers would fit in a KLH Model 24. The AT-60 and AT-70 would definitely fit and work, and so would the AT-6.
 
KentTeffeteller said:
One of the mods was installing a 4 pole motor, so KLH could use a Magnetic Cartridge successfully. Also, custom cosmetics and styling for KLH. A Dual 1219 won't fit a KLH Model 24 as it's a large chassis Dual. The easiest upgrade for you for a KLH Model 24 would be to install a Garrard AT-60 or AT-70 changer (which would be a nicer changer). The early KLH phonos had Garrard AT-6 changers fitted (a better changer).
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Thanks. If I keep them around, I know they won't really get used that often because of the Dual but they are not bad by any stretch and I'm sure I could come across one of the acceptable changers. Even if they are nothing more than functional stereophonic relics, they are nice to have around, are great conversation pieces, look cool, and they get the job done. Maybe it's sort of like the donut spare for your 800 series BMW.
 
KentTeffeteller said:
Those may not fit the KLH Model 24. The Garrard AutoSlim changers would fit in a KLH Model 24. The AT-60 and AT-70 would definitely fit and work, and so would the AT-6.
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Oof. Thanks, I hadn't meant to imply they would fit but I totally implied that in how I wrote it.
 
No problem at all. I have very limited capacity to keep anything around other than my daily drivers so I appreciate the opportunity to get various views on what I might be able to do with the gear I keep around. Thanks.
 
If i were looking to hot rod a KLH 24, I'd take the stock changer and swap the motor for one out of an AT6 or SL65. The stock motor is a 2 pole that vibrates considerably. The 4 pole and the Synchrolab motor run much smoother.
 
I believe that one of the mods Garrard made for KLH was to put a four pole in and I think a fellow AK poster may have mentioned this as a possibility as well.
 
another thing you can do is a better stylus. Can't do much with the cartridge, its a goofy mounting arrangement that only works with that specific version of a Pickering V15, but the stock 3-7 gram 0.7 mil conical is the lowest tier stylus that exists for this. Can't go too crazy here but there are a few things in the 2-5 gram tracking range that should work. I don't remember the numbers offhand but if you can find a Pickering stylus catalog, basically anything that tracks in that range will work. Conical may be a better idea since there is no alignment possible. The tracking force is adjustable somewhat too, I don't know quite how low it can go but it should be no issue to get it at 3 grams. Personally I'm fine with the V15, but the performance depends hugely on what stylus is installed and I have not had great results with aftermarket ones.

also the general refresh work that needs to be done on the electronics and the clean+lube stuff for the changer. Just making sure its running as right as possible should be a big help.
 
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