Klipsch Introduces the Cornwall IV

[moray james]

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I ask again "Do you know this for a fact and if so can you share your source?

You need to work on your quotes.

The CW IV and Forte III dont use the same mid horn. Enlighten me on where in post 11 I referred to an "F3". Maybe there was a smudge on your screen or glasses. Or maybe you just misread?

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Well if that is your proof then you are satisfied. What I intended to type was CF3 not F3. Are the horns used in the Forte 3 and the Cornwall 4 the same entry size, do you know,both one inch entry?

 

[avguytx]

Well, overall it really doesn't matter to me as I'll never buy a pair at retail price anyway; I don't pay retail for any A/V gear and haven't for close to 30 years. If I really wanted a pair of them, I could get them at landed cost or below from many dealers I have known for years. But it's just not that important.

 

[fredgarvin]

 

[jdmccall]

Excuse me if I've said this before (quite possible) but I'd sure love to hear the Cornwall IV and the RF7 III side by side.

 

[FauxHall]

Granted, these are the Special Edition IIIs and the sale price is slightly below the list price of the IVs, but IIIs are on sale.

 

[jeanmarie]

To much money for them

 

[JWJW]

Anyone know then the IV will start shipping?

 

[jdmccall]

Crutchfield has them in black ash, with walnut and cherry expected to be available by 10/28.

 

[Coytee]

Some of the folks on the Klipsch forum have figured out that there is merit in looking at their cinema lineup.

Here is what I think the Cornwall SHOULD have been.... 2-way with a 2" throat horn. I've heard these (KI-396) outdoors while they were sitting under their (then new) "Grand" (or whatever they call the MWM smaller lineup....)

I thought it was the big system playing. If you want coherence, these are 2-way vs 3. If you want volume (compared to the Cornwall) they will at least do same if not better. If you want lower distortion, you have the 2" horn on top (and a pro woofer)...

I don't know the price

See the speaker outlined by the trailer in the background? That is what I heard playing thinking it was the rest of the system. It was very impressive.

 

[Zeke]

I don't doubt it's impressive but it's also -10dB at 35 Hz with advertised frequency response only listed down to 60 Hz.

Then, I have to go find a subwoofer than can keep up.

 

[jdmccall]

I don't doubt it's impressive but it's also -10dB at 35 Hz with advertised frequency response only listed down to 60 Hz.

Then, I have to go find a subwoofer than can keep up.

It's sittin' on one! Put a couple of those in your living room and you're set!

 

[Zeke]

It's sittin' on one! Put a couple of those in your living room and you're set!

I see your point.

 

[fernarias]

Some of the folks on the Klipsch forum have figured out that there is merit in looking at their cinema lineup.

Here is what I think the Cornwall SHOULD have been.... 2-way with a 2" throat horn. I've heard these (KI-396) outdoors while they were sitting under their (then new) "Grand" (or whatever they call the MWM smaller lineup....)

I thought it was the big system playing. If you want coherence, these are 2-way vs 3. If you want volume (compared to the Cornwall) they will at least do same if not better. If you want lower distortion, you have the 2" horn on top (and a pro woofer)...

I don't know the price

See the speaker outlined by the trailer in the background? That is what I heard playing thinking it was the rest of the system. It was very impressive.


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They have a two way and it's called the rf7 III. It's good that the cornwall stayed a 3 way for those of us who prefer a 3 way design.

 

[moray james]

They have a two way and it's called the rf7 III. It's good that the Cornwall stayed a 3 way for those of us who prefer a 3 way design.

The RF7mk3 is a dual ten inch, what would be required would be a dual 12 inch or bring back the speaker which replaced the Cornwall in the first place the Chorus and make it a two way. Problem lies with consumer's sense of perceived value. I would rather have a good two way than a good three way because they will have better drivers and fewer crossover points/issues.

 

[fernarias]

The RF7mk3 is a dual ten inch, what would be required would be a dual 12 inch or bring back the speaker which replaced the Cornwall in the first place the Chorus and make it a two way. Problem lies with consumer's sense of perceived value. I would rather have a good two way than a good three way because the will have better drivers and fewer crossover points and issues.

Every two way I've heard has a hole at the crossover point, like there is muting at certain frequencies in the range (I have heard or own KG 5.2, KG 5.5, RF7, RF7II plus numerous smaller bookshelf speakers). I prefer three way speakers for this reason.

 

[dmckean]

I don't doubt it's impressive but it's also -10dB at 35 Hz with advertised frequency response only listed down to 60 Hz.

Then, I have to go find a subwoofer than can keep up.

The measurements for the KI-396 (and all other pro gear) are done in an anionic chamber and do not take into account the typical room gain you get in the home. I've had my pair for going on 2 years now and they're not bass shy at all, I get usable bass all the way down to 24hz.

 

[Coytee]

I get usable bass all the way down to 24hz.

You heretic!!




Having heard (and owned) their 3-way Khorn and heard the 2-way Jubilee.... I was astounded at the increase in coherence & intelligibility that the 2-way brought. They use 3-ways for higher output.

 

[moray james]

Every two way I've heard has a hole at the crossover point, like there is muting at certain frequencies in the range (I have heard or own KG 5.2, KG 5.5, RF7, RF7II plus numerous smaller bookshelf speakers). I prefer three way speakers for this reason.

do you like Dark side of the moon? That was recorded on two ways (Tannoy 15" DC) so were millions of top recordings I don't think the problem lies with the loudspeakers! Large drive Tannoy and Altec and JBL/Urie ruled supreme in recording studios around the world for almost 35 years it was not a fluke there are thousands of them still today in studios.
If you want to be impressed just listen to a set of Tannoy Revolution Series XT if you want to experience loudspeakers which can integrate with the finest.

 

[moray james]

You heretic!!




Having heard (and owned) their 3-way Khorn and heard the 2-way Jubilee.... I was astounded at the increase in coherence & intelligibility that the 2-way brought. They use 3-ways for higher output.

They build three ways to make consumers feel they are getting more for their money and because the drivers are less expensive. It is as simple as that.

 

[fernarias]

do you like Dark side of the moon? That was recorded on two ways (Tannoy 15" DC) so were millions of top recordings I don't think the problem lies with the loudspeakers! Large drive Tannoy and Altec and JBL/Urie ruled supreme in recording studios around the world for almost 35 years it was not a fluke there are thousands of them still today in studios.
If you want to be impressed just listen to a set of Tannoy Revolution Series XT if you want to experience loudspeakers which can integrate with the finest.

They were recorded on tape with microphones. The sound engineer then did the mixing on 2 way speakers is what you mean. Yes, I also know that most highly rated sound engineers were over 50 and had lost most of their hearing (I also favor tone controls on my gear, so I can correct, usually bright, recordings). Also, a lot of those speakers you mentioned were first made when highs only went to 16khz and not 20khz like today (same frequency response of a stereo lp).
Anyways, it's what I hear with 2 ways, a dip in frequency response around the crossover point, which is a higher frequency on a two way than it is on a three way (500hz to 700hz on a three way and 1000hz to 1500hz, ouch, on a two way).