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Klipschorn Crossovers A vs AA ?

H.Huester

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I have a set of new-to-me Klipschorn B, 1968 vintage - they have the original A crossovers.
It has been suggested to switch to the AA crossover (for tweeter protection), and it has also been suggested to stay with the original An (for quality of sound).
I know I need to (at minimum) update the caps, but am wondering if I should make the switch to AA or not.

Does anyone have experience with both versions of the crossovers, and what do you think?

Thanks,
HH
 
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If you don't go crazy with the volume control the A's should be fine.
I have Cornwall's with B2 crossovers and bought a pair of B's because I have read some prefer them, unfortunately I can't comment as I have yet to try them.
 
AA sounds better to me personally, unless you’re just in love with more K-77 in your face.

AA is more balanced and images better.
 
I have a set of new-to-me Klipschorn B, 1968 vintage - they have the original A crossovers.
It has been suggested to switch to the AA crossover (for tweeter protection), and it has also been suggested to stay with the original An (for quality of sound).
I know I need to (at minimum) update the caps, but am wondering if I should make the switch to AA or not.

Does anyone have experience with both versions of the crossovers, and what do you think?

Thanks,
HH
From my experience stay with the Type A until you are ready to go with the SMAHL and DE-120’s for the top end. Then go with the 4500X crossover. That’s were I ended up and where I’m staying with my 1972 Khorns.
 
From my experience stay with the Type A until you are ready to go with the SMAHL and DE-120’s for the top end. Then go with the 4500X crossover. That’s were I ended up and where I’m staying with my 1972 Khorns.
Did you stay with the Type A, or go to the Type AA, when you went to the 4500X crossovers?
 
I found a Type A-4500 crossover, made by B&C.
The ad says it's for using the Crites or SMAHLs tweeter.
I'm assuming that's not the same as the 4500X mentioned above?
 
@H.Huester , if you stay with the stock k-77s any variation of the “4500“ crossovers will likely result in fried tweeters

having said that, I have reached 100dB peaks at my listening position (less than 10 feet from speakers) with k-77-M tweeters using an A-4500 (I have six of them, I wasn’t worried)

the “4500“ variants are designed for aftermarket tweeters

I have built the ALK 4500 Universal, a polyester cap version of the Crites A/4500 (before Crites offered them) and most recently the 4500x (AA/4500 with extra goodies…)

the 4500 Universal did not impress me, at all, the polyester capped version of the A/4500 was an improvement TO ME over the stock crossovers any of my La Scalas came with, but the AA/4500 (4500x) is what sits in my La Scalas now, best imaging yet

once again, aftermarket tweeters are not optional

the ONLY crossover I found that made the stock k-77s remotely listenable TO ME was the standard ALK Universal, but that’s a lot of work to make something that was designed 60 years ago relevant

I have found the k-77-M to be harsh pushing anything close to 80dB, up to that point they are just “alive”, not sure if your Alnico k-77 tweeters would fare any better, but they are only rated 2W which is scary low power

are you able to follow a schematic and half handy with a soldering iron? You could relatively easily turn your A crossovers into AAs, or more down the road. Crites at one time sold a convertible A to AA board, you would only need two new components on each board and some fancy wiring

the AA crossover offers more protection for your tweeters as a result of the “slope” (third order) of the tweeter circuit compared to the A (first order), as Dean mentioned this also brings with it the benefit of better imaging

I have never heard an AA crossover with the squawkers (k-55-v) and tweeters (Alnico k-77) it was designed for, but I think it would be closer to an AA/4500 than most give it credit for. The K-55-V rolls off FAST at 4500 Hz and the Alnico K-77 does not have the energy below 4500 Hz the K-77-M has

if you do choose this path, or chose to stay with the A, my recommendation would be polyester caps all around to hear what Klipsch intended (transfer function) , …50 years ago

the analogy of changing a recipe before you’ve tasted it comes to mind, stick to the recipe and then change it after you’ve tasted it to suit YOUR tastes

but beware, lol

tastes change
 
I'm trying to go one small step at a time to see what effects each has on the sound - don't really want to stray too far from the original.

The next step are to rebuild the existing A crossover, and see what effect that has on things. New caps "may" fix a sibilance/distortion issue with the K-55V squawkers - we'll see. Seems logical not to do anything with the squawkers until the crossovers are up to snuff...

After that, I'll be swapping the K-77 tweeters out to either Crites or SMAHLs.

One small step at a time...
 
…but the AA/4500 (4500x) is what sits in my La Scalas now, best imaging yet

Said here. The inference is that’s it’s a modified AA, which it isn’t. It only has one part in common with the AA (which you need for the 400Hz crossover point). All other values are completely different, and the 4500x includes three additional parts. It’s also tapped out differently. Another version of the 4500x uses a swamping resistor and 47uF capacitor - does that make it a modified ALK?

All of these various networks have earned their respective identities.
 
Adding "4500" to a crossover name doesn't make it so. Let's take the A/4500 from a well-known vender. Now attach a DE120 to the tweeter filter. The DE120 has a nasty impedance spike around 1800hz which in turn causes a voltage spike at that point. The series 500uh inductor to a K55M does reduce its high frequency voltage, but not nearly enough to prevent the clash from 1800hz to 6000hz.

Mike

DE120 on Crites 4500.jpg
 
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