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Looking to buy a CD Player (not made in China)

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Twinhit said:
IMHO,
The Manufacturers should be required to inform the public where their product is made much more clearly.

Consider the Surgeon General's warning about cigarettes.

WARNING:
Purchasing products not made 100% in USA by US citizens
are known to cause US joblessness and a doomed economy.


They should do that for the voting process, too.

WARNING:
Voting for anyone, you don't even know,
to be your leader and to tell you what you can and cannot say and do
is a sign of utter stupidity.
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I agree but would you work for 10 cents an hour ? :nono:
 
Bigerik said:
If people chose to purchase US made products still, no one would have to work for 10 cents an hour.
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What Im saying is that manufactures pay Chinese employees low wages compared to North Americans because we have minimum wage. In China, there is no minimum wage this much bigger profits for the manufacturers.

It sucks because China is a booming market and North America / Europe is in decline.
 
Rob. said:
What Im saying is that manufactures pay Chinese employees low wages compared to North Americans because we have minimum wage. In China, there is no minimum wage this much bigger profits for the manufacturers.

It sucks because China is a booming market and North America / Europe is in decline.
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You should look further into how those wages get taken down. It's often the result of pressure from a foreign corporation (say, Walmart, one of the worst offenders) to knock yet another penny off of the price of manufacturing or see the entire process moved (workers be damned) to another facility at the drop of a hat. And those prices are often dictated by a Western consumer who shops on price instead of quality. BUT, that isn't every factory in China. That is often a system that exists to fuel the junk electronics industry. A company like Cambridge Audio or B&W will go in and dictate the whole process on a balance of what it takes to get the quality they want, not what it takes to get the price they want. Those are completely different ways to approach manufacturing in China. A means to an end, or a means to placate a consumer who won't pay a dime for quality.

Despite all of this, transportation costs are rising, as are wages in China (their success has created a budding middle class with buying power, creating more demand,and more competition for workers, etc) so some manufacturing is moving back or staying put.
 
Based on this thread, I hope OP and the people who agree with him don't need to own, cellphones, homephones, computers, calculators, televisions, DVD players, car radios or even clothing.
 
Twinhit said:
IMHO,
The Manufacturers should be required to inform the public where their product is made much more clearly.

Consider the Surgeon General's warning about cigarettes.

WARNING:
Purchasing products not made 100% in USA by US citizens
are known to cause US joblessness and a doomed economy.


They should do that for the voting process, too.

WARNING:
Voting for anyone, you don't even know,
to be your leader and to tell you what you can and cannot say and do
is a sign of utter stupidity.
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Gee thanks. You might be the reason this thread gets closed. Nice job.
 
Ain't gonna get closed yet, but let's say we stop guessing at the OP's motives around the No China part, and just get back to discussing cd players.
 
Bigerik said:
Ain't gonna get closed yet, but let's say we stop guessing at the OP's motives around the No China part, and just get back to discussing cd players.
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How about this Marantz unit?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marantz-CD-...540?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c2483a8fc

or

This B&O unit?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bang-Olufse...231?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53ebedf597

Or maybe a Cambridge Azur....? lol

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cambridge-A...659?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a71adb513

Or if you throw out US made and silver AND the price you could get this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HITACHI-DA-...346?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item460180d612
 
I have to tell you

Rob. said:
Hi guys, I'm looking to buy a CD Player to match my Silver faced Vintage Pioneer components.
I want something very basic looking, with Low THD (0.002%) or better, remote control and blue fluorscan, LED display. Something like the Cambridge Azur series.
My budget would be less than $300 on the used market.

What's out there ?

Here's what my system looks like:

thanks
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I just bought (and posted a review) of a brand new TEAC CD-P650...awesome deck, american made, full featured including being able to play from a flash drive or IPOD

Check on my review and you will save quite a bit of money..I paid 159 BRAND NEW and love it

*Note - I just checked - Teac itself is Tokyo based but there is a Teac America...Japan is NOT china
 
additional info

TEAC CORPORATION 1-47 Ochiai, Tama-shi, Tokyo 206-8530 Japan Phone: (042) 356-9156
TEAC AMERICA, INC. 7733 Telegraph Road, Montebello, California 90640 U.S.A. Phone: (323) 726-0303
TEAC CANADA LTD. 5939 Wallace Street, Mississauga, Ontario L4Z 1Z8, Canada Phone: (905) 890-8008
TEAC MEXICO, S.A. DE C.V. Río Churubusco 364, Colonia Del Carmen, Delegación Coyoacàn, CP 04100, México DF, México Phone: (5255) 5010-6000
TEAC UK LTD. Suites 19 & 20, Building 6, Croxley Green Business Park, Hatters Lane, Watford, Hertfordshire, WD18 8TE, U.K. Phone: (0845) 130-2511
TEAC EUROPE GMBH Bahnstraße 12, D-65205 Wiesbaden-Erbenheim, Deutschland Phone: 0611-71580
 
Not sure why what I said caused a commotion.

Truth of the matter is, job exportation has been going on for over 60 years.
China makes some of the best new products out there, right now. Why? Because they can.
Are they to blame? Not really, perhaps in part, but the American consumer dictated
what they will buy and for how much. They chanted cheaper, cheaper, cheaper, not
realizing they were telling their fellow Americans to jump in the lake and fend for themselves.
The US is very hostile against manufacturing anything, anymore.
The problem with this enviroment is that people who don't work, don't buy products of luxury. Even if that "luxury" is simply dining out or eating on a regular basis.

Along with factory exportation, at the same time, the quality student education fell through the floor. A lot of people don't seem to care. Unfortunately, what they don't realize is that those kids are supposed to be working some day paying taxes and feeding into the retirement system known as Social Security, in the US. If you were union, you could build a retirement pension like those who served 20 years in the military. But something happened, post WWII, and part of that something has an awful lot to do with the change in the psyche of the American people.

What I am saying is not about politics, it's about the core of the people.

I was just now thinking how the Chinese slave to make a product costing so-called US manufacturers to make for darned near next to nothing, while the mfg. execs make off like bandits selling their wares to the merchant we purchase from.... for $100s if not a thousand times more to produce.

IMHO, I think it's too late for the US to recover.
But just because I think that, I also contradict myself, in the sense, that that resignated realization is no reason to just give up and not try.
This I have done, and every turn, when I come up with an idea for a product, I see all kinds of barriers that stand in the way from that product ever leaving my mind onto the drawing board.
There are three major barriers:
Manufacturing Cost
Consumer Demands (what they want, and pricepoint)
Government Regulations

I would love to make a quality product, but how big is the market for that product?
New innovations and products are hard to produce profitably unless you have the financial, manfacturing, marketing and distributing wherewithal to push that new product onto the consumer marketplace.

In the last 50 years, there are probably 3 innovative durable goods products that stand out as a historical industrial success and milestone. Only three.
The Computer, Cell Phones, and Ipods.

These three items have changed the face of society around the world to varying degrees, depending on location.

I've heard it said that today's teenagers are not as anxious about getting their driver's license as teenagers were 20 years ago. They are quite content with a cell phone and an ipod and are willing to put off buying a car until later.
(My own daughters still don't know how to drive at 20 and 23. )
That's a good thing. I can't afford to buy them a new car anyway, and knowing them, they'd be better off not driving at all.

But then, how many more people their age have the same attitudes toward the automobile? How will that attitude affect the future of US automakers in the US?
And if that trend increases, how much longer can the US mfg be able to sustain production in an already hostile and compettitive industry?

I am not saying let's isolate ourselves, but let's make darned sure we don't shoot ourselves in the foot before we challenge the world to a marathon.

As it stands, that what we did.
Sorry kids, my bad.
 
arcorob said:
I just bought (and posted a review) of a brand new TEAC CD-P650...awesome deck, american made, full featured including being able to play from a flash drive or IPOD

Check on my review and you will save quite a bit of money..I paid 159 BRAND NEW and love it

*Note - I just checked - Teac itself is Tokyo based but there is a Teac America...Japan is NOT china
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sweet.. where did you buy it from ?
 
Twinhit said:
Not sure why what I said caused a commotion.

Truth of the matter is, job exportation has been going on for over 60 years.
China makes some of the best new products out there, right now. Why? Because they can.
Are they to blame? Not really, perhaps in part, but the American consumer dictated
what they will buy and for how much. They chanted cheaper, cheaper, cheaper, not
realizing they were telling their fellow Americans to jump in the lake and fend for themselves.
The US is very hostile against manufacturing anything, anymore.
The problem with this enviroment is that people who don't work, don't buy products of luxury. Even if that "luxury" is simply dining out or eating on a regular basis.

Along with factory exportation, at the same time, the quality student education fell through the floor. A lot of people don't seem to care. Unfortunately, what they don't realize is that those kids are supposed to be working some day paying taxes and feeding into the retirement system known as Social Security, in the US. If you were union, you could build a retirement pension like those who served 20 years in the military. But something happened, post WWII, and part of that something has an awful lot to do with the change in the psyche of the American people.

What I am saying is not about politics, it's about the core of the people.

I was just now thinking how the Chinese slave to make a product costing so-called US manufacturers to make for darned near next to nothing, while the mfg. execs make off like bandits selling their wares to the merchant we purchase from.... for $100s if not a thousand times more to produce.

IMHO, I think it's too late for the US to recover.
But just because I think that, I also contradict myself, in the sense, that that resignated realization is no reason to just give up and not try.
This I have done, and every turn, when I come up with an idea for a product, I see all kinds of barriers that stand in the way from that product ever leaving my mind onto the drawing board.
There are three major barriers:
Manufacturing Cost
Consumer Demands (what they want, and pricepoint)
Government Regulations

I would love to make a quality product, but how big is the market for that product?
New innovations and products are hard to produce profitably unless you have the financial, manfacturing, marketing and distributing wherewithal to push that new product onto the consumer marketplace.

In the last 50 years, there are probably 3 innovative durable goods products that stand out as a historical industrial success and milestone. Only three.
The Computer, Cell Phones, and Ipods.

These three items have changed the face of society around the world to varying degrees, depending on location.

I've heard it said that today's teenagers are not as anxious about getting their driver's license as teenagers were 20 years ago. They are quite content with a cell phone and an ipod and are willing to put off buying a car until later.
(My own daughters still don't know how to drive at 20 and 23. )
That's a good thing. I can't afford to buy them a new car anyway, and knowing them, they'd be better off not driving at all.

But then, how many more people their age have the same attitudes toward the automobile? How will that attitude affect the future of US automakers in the US?
And if that trend increases, how much longer can the US mfg be able to sustain production in an already hostile and compettitive industry?

I am not saying let's isolate ourselves, but let's make darned sure we don't shoot ourselves in the foot before we challenge the world to a marathon.

As it stands, that what we did.
Sorry kids, my bad.
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North America, Europe have been ahead of China by lightyears as far as the economy etc, now because of business taking advantage of cheap labour (no human rights and minimum wage) they take away good paying jobs from North America and parts of Europe so that they can make muccccch more profit. Plain and simple.. You cannot hide this fact we are heading beckwards and China is moving forward.

Also, I'll make these 2 comments as well:

1. Why dont car manufacturers, manufacture all cars out of China ?
I could then buy a brand new Honda for $9000, instead of $25,000 ?????????

2. You sound like a business owner.
 
I think this is getting political, and as the OP has found what he wanted, lets say we call it a day.
 
Twinhit said:
Not sure why what I said caused a commotion...
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In answer to your question, it flies in the face of our rule against discussion of politics. Yours was not the only one on that topic, but it was the one that delved most deeply, and at length.
 
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