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Marantz 1150 - Need Help - Intermittent Fail - Heavy Static

Richs_Trains

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Hey AK,

I bought a basket case 1150 about 2 years ago and managed to find the pieces that were missing and replaced the broken shaft. I was able to get it going and adjust the amps and then I started using it as my “outdoor” system. It played fine for a week or two and all of a sudden, heavy static from both channels. I turned it off and decided to try to find the problem ( I do not claim to be a tech, I can solder, replaced parts with like parts and use a meter. I have recapped and adjusted quite a few amps, but hunting down a problem is not in my orbit). Since the static was heavy and across both channels, I thought maybe a power issue, so I recapped and adjusted the power supply, worked again for another few weeks and then same issue. I then decided to recap the tone-amp board and when I was done, I had no sound at all and no matter what I did, it would not play. So, I decided to send to my go-to guy in Idaho, not cheap from AZ, and have him see if he could find the problem. Well, when it got there, it worked fine and he could not duplicate either the no sound or the heavy static. At this point, I asked him to replace the power supply transistors and the transistors on the tone amp and then run it a while. It ran fine for a couple of weeks and so he sent it back. I put it back as my “outside” amp (in the house, but speakers outside) and it played for a couple of months and then bam, heavy static. Fed up, I put it in a closet and put a 1070 in its place. Last week I dug out my tools to fix a 4140, managed to get it going with the help of AK and since the table and tools were out, I hooked up the 1150 again on some $8 thrift store speakers (actually not bad for bench speakers) and darned if it didn’t work fine. I had it on a dim bulb and it was playing fine for a day, today I turned it on and let it play at low, low volume. After about 15 minutes, heavy static, bulb starts getting bright, static gets less, bulb dims, static increases, the bulb gets bright again …. Repeat. So, whatever is going on appears to draw a good amount of power when it happens. I really have no idea where to begin, I know it is circuit related and not a dirty control or switch. It happens on both channels and the audio source can no longer be heard, only static. When it was on the dim bulb and cycling, the audio would return when the bulb got bright and the static would decrease. I am looking for any advice, I am thinking about changing the filter cap, but it is a dual cap and I’m not sure I want to tackle that. Thanks again Rich

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Thanks Bob, How are you doing? Would still like to get my 1300dc done, but just haven't been able to afford it. I did find the two buttons it needed though! This problem happens across both channels, I think I have some freeze spray left, but not much, where would you recommend I start? Thanks Rich
 
I've had a rough go of it the last 3 months or so but am on the mend.
Just appreciative of waking up on the right side each morning!

I'd be honored to do a restore on your 1300DC.

As far as freeze spray ,I would target the small TO92 transistors.
It does it using any input?
Goes staticy with volume all the way down?

Have you narrowed it down to preamp or amp section by using pre out /main in jacks ?
Also have you closely examined the bottom of the boards for a bad solder joint or broken trace eyelet?

I had a 4270 years ago that had a similar issue.
Turn out to be a tiny crack in the preamp board traces that would only occasionally screw up.

Bob
 
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Thanks Bob, Glad things are on the upswing. This last time, the volume was on the first click, just barely audible and the static came through loud and clear. From the last time I tried to fix this, I remember that I did get clean amp using another pre-amp and the static came only through the preamp section. I'll look over the bottom section. I am pretty sure Brad changed the TO92's on the tone board, where else? Thanks again
 
So, after the last episode, while on the dim bulb, I have no sound and no relay click. I tried light freeze spray at different components and got a loud pop when I hit the relay board on the underside, but still no sound or relay click. Rich
 
Check the DC Offset ahead of the relay both channels.
The amp board differencial input pairs should be renewed with hFE matched and heatshrink bonded new ones regardless as part of any proper restoration/refurb.

Bob
 
So, after sitting for about 15 minutes and cleaning the pins on boards, I have sound (only left it on for a second), I think I am going to recap the relay board and replace the c945 and c1318 transistors, I would also like to replace the relay, what is the mouser equivalent relay? Does the relay need to be altered? And Bob .... any chance you could build me the hFE matched pairs I need and charge me for them (I have an 1150 and 1150d so enough for both)? Thanks Rich
 
One thing I did notice is, that when powered up with no sound and no relay, the inrush current was less, the 100w bulb was maybe 60% on power on, as compared to when the audio was working and the relay clicking. Thanks Rich
 
I have all the parts,I'll send them to you .
Thanks so much Bob, don't know how far I want to go on this one, want to fix the static problem before anything else. How do you solve the dual cap situation, do you stuff the old one or mount 2 individual caps? Thanks for EVERYTHING Bob. Rich
 
Send me the dimensions of the dual cap.(Diam and Height)
I may have a couple you can stuff it with.

Bob
 
Send me the dimensions of the dual cap.(Diam and Height)
I'll need to find my micrometer, I packed all my stuff a year ago. This will probably pull me back in ....... lucky I have a bunch of stuff I never touched! So, when you do the dual caps, you stuff them in the old carcass? Where do you get shrink tube big enough for that? The relay says MY 2 0 US 24dc, any ideas on the current replacement? Rich
 
So, I pulled a 1060 out of the closet and tested the preamp on the 1150 through the 1060 amp section just to make sure that the static is in the preamp and not the amp on the 1150 because a year ago when I last played with this amp all I could confirm is that the power amps seemed fine, but the problem was so intermittent I could not be sure. I am now sure as the static came through loud and clear using just the preamp on the 1150. Thanks Rich
 
Static in both channels would lead me to believe that it's a bad transistor in the power supply. Zener diodes could be suspect too.
 
Static in both channels would lead me to believe that it's a bad transistor in the power supply. Zener diodes could be suspect too.
Thanks jailtime, I am trying freeze spray and have ordered the parts to rebuild the relay board, the power supply board has been recapped and the transistors replaced, can you test diodes in the circuit? Thanks Rich
 
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