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Marantz 2270 Engraved Survey

Parallax982 said:
That says nothing to bolster the hypothesis that there were separate champagne and silver face plates on the 22XX series.
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It’s not a hypothesis. Marantz introduced the champagne-colored faceplate and the 22XX series at the same time. They offered both versions. These aren’t alternative facts.

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Photograph of Actual Champagne ^ (for color reference).

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Photograph of Actual Silver ^ (for color reference).

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Marantz 2270 Champagne-colored faceplate
(above ^).
Marantz 2270 Silver-colored faceplate
(below ^).

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The Marantz 22 series, including models like the 2230, 2245, and 2270, offered a champagne-colored faceplate option, particularly in the early releases. These champagne-colored models are considered rarer and often more desirable among collectors.

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(Concerning the Marantz 2270)
From ClassicReceivers.com:

“There are a few different versions of the Marantz 2270. Serial numbers for the 2270 production started at 1000. From serial numbers 1000 through roughly 5000 the faceplates had engraved faceplate. Just after serial number 5000 or so (it’s an estimate) Marantz changed to the cheaper method of silk screening the lettering on the faceplate. Also, some portion of the first 4000 units made had a champagne-colored faceplate. A smaller percentage had a silver[-colored] faceplate (both with engraved lettering). To make it even more confusing, some champagne[-colored] faceplates had champagne[-colored] knobs while others had silver[-colored] knobs and some faceplates had a smooth finish while others had a more coarse finish. I think all of the units above serial number ~5000 have a course faceplate finish. A few below 5000 have a coarse finish with most having a smooth finish. Most of these differences were due to Marantz engaging in some cost cutting methods...

“The engraved models are fairly rare as only 4000 were made out of a production run of almost 85,000 2270 receivers. The engraved silver[-colored] version is more rare than the engraved champagne[-colored] version.“
 
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Cool thread, I haven't read it yet since I don't have a 2270. But yes even Marantz, in their early brochures, had champagne listed, I pointed that out years ago in a similar thread on the subject.

I'm wondering if the 5000 number had to do with early versions of a new unit being a little better, then when they were proven popular, the production costs were shaved reflecting the USA Market which always wanted a bargain and initial MSRP wasn't going to cut it, especially if the unit was in production for a few years. The Japanese also weren't afraid to use every last part even if it meant some units were different, they also made limited special versions available for anyone in the chain, if you were lucky.

Slight color variations were perfectly normal, I have maybe 12+ Marantz/UNIX Units sitting in my office and there's at least four different versions of gold, some of these are from around 1982 when literature was proclaiming "The Gold Standard" and yes the gold is about 2x the intensity of champagne. My little CH-53 has a really cool gold flight case and the components came in either a gold or silver version.

Anyway, I'm going to grab my martini and fire up a Marantz, to me they do sound different.
 
Bushikan said:
It’s not a hypothesis. Marantz introduced the champagne-colored faceplate and the 22XX series at the same time. They offered both versions. These aren’t alternative facts.
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Clearly, there was an engraved version which was champagne. I have two of them. A 2270 and a 2230.

Clearly, there was a non-engraved version which was silver. I've had that unit in the past two.

What's not clear to me is that there was a separate silver and champagne version of the engraved (or non-engraved) face plate. That's where I think environmental factors could come into play. But it doesn't matter and I don't see this as anything worth arguing over. Either there was or there wasn't. If I ever see two units side by side that are engraved and one is clearly as silver as those non-engraved units were, I'll probably change my mind. Part of the challenge is that the differences one sees are subtle. The so-called "champagne" units I have are definitely not as silver as the non-engraved units I've owned but the difference is not huge. An unitiated person would probably just say they're silver.

This is distinct from, say, my Fisher 500, which is clearly brass colored. That's not uncommon of units built during the 1950s. By the time my Fisher 400 and Fisher 800C rolled off the line, this was no longer true. Both have silver face plates. I really like what Fisher did with the dial lighting though. It's way more subtle than Marantz lighting. There are small bulbs that come in from the side and illuminate the glass of the faceplates from the inside. The light bounces around within that piece of glass and result is super classy looking when a unit is restored well.

I've restored faceplates on three Marantz 22XX units (my 2230, my 2270, the 2235 I sold) and two Fisher units (the 400 and 800C). All of them turned out really well. Overall, I'd say the Marantz units are the best looking. That's of course just a matter of opinion. My Fisher 500 has not been restored.
 
Parallax982 said:
You're the one who keeps bringing it up. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree.
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No, actually. You’re the one who introduced this topic as “opinion.” I’m only introducing facts. You can die on the hill of opinion and agreeing to disagree.

My annoyance is that you’re giving out your opinion, which is false, as fact; or as equally valid as fact. It’s not. This site is used as a valuable resource for current and future people who are looking for factual information—in this case about Marantz faceplates. “Opinions” regarding Marantz faceplates have no relevance here.
 
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Bushikan said:
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No, actually. You’re the one who introduced this topic as “opinion.” I’m only introducing facts. You can die on the hill of opinion and agreeing to disagree.

My annoyance is that you’re giving out your opinion, which is false, as fact; or as equally valid as fact. It’s not. This site is used as a valuable resource for current and future people who are looking for factual information—in this case about Marantz faceplates. “Opinions” regarding Marantz faceplates have no relevance here.
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Lighten up, Francis.
 
Parallax982 said:
Lighten up, Francis.
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I’ll “lighten up” when people start acknowledging facts as truth. Not before.

Do your research. Contribute truth to AK—not “opinion” when your “opinion”—vs. the truth—about the subject isn’t relevant. (We’ve all misspoke and made mistakes. It’s fine.) There are almost infinite areas here for relevant “opinions.” This didn’t happen to be one of them. Accept it and move on.
 
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Bushikan said:
I’ll “lighten up” when people start acknowledging facts as truth. Not before.

Do your research. Contribute truth to AK—not “opinion” when your “opinion”—vs. the truth—about the subject isn’t relevant. (We’ve all misspoke and made mistakes. It’s fine.) There are almost infinite areas here for relevant “opinions.” This didn’t happen to be one of them. Accept it and move on.
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Keep telling me to move on while beating a dead horse, why donchya? I've long ago moved on. I don't care if we disagree. Whatever. I recommend you do too, before you give yourself an aneurysm.
 
Parallax982 said:
Keep telling me to move on while beating a dead horse, why donchya? I've long ago moved on. I don't care if we disagree. Whatever. I recommend you do too, before you give yourself an aneurysm.
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The truth is not a “dead horse” no matter how often or how much your want to assert that falsehood as fact. You have not “long ago moved on,” since you just responded.
 
moving on.

Your confusions and assertions contribute to the reason why people leave AK.
 
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OMG, Let’s argue to the death, as if in an arena, about the relevance of champagne vs. silver vs engraved silver vs engraved champagne blah blah blah faceplates.

Who cares, ultimately?

We all love Marantz?

Or we could just come together over the fact that we all love Marantz and the various Marantz faceplates and that we might prefer some over others?
 
Bushikan said:
OMG, Let’s argue to the death, as if in an arena, about the relevance of champagne vs. silver vs engraved silver vs engraved champagne blah blah blah faceplates.

Who cares, ultimately?

We all love Marantz?

Or we could just come together over the fact that we all love Marantz and the various Marantz faceplates and that we might prefer some over others?
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That's what I've been saying over and over, as you continue to accuse me of committing some horrible transgression for having an opinion different than yours. Let it go. I don't care that you have a different opinion. You say you're done. So be done.
 
rBuckner said:
Not to throw gas on the fire, but... I've seen silver engraved face plates.
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Perhaps one day I'll see one of those elusive beasts in the wild and be convinced. The only way I know my champagne plates aren't silver is because I've had them next to a non-engraved silver plate and the difference was clear. Even there, the difference was, to my eye, quite subtle.
 
As I am in the middle of rearanging the listening room I gathered my three etched units. The most yellow tan is 2215 and it is missing for photoshooting at the moment.
Will post again when decorating is over...


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