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Minimus 7 Loudspeakers - Measurements

Thanks Pete, I completed my pair yesterday with the UGLIEST crossovers I've ever done! They sound wonderful, no more midrange shout, very refined little speakers. They blend very nicely with a small Yamaha powered sub in my office. Kudos to you and Zilch for making this mod available to the un-washed masses!
 
Thanks again Pete, I did that and still find the HF of my M7W's (B version) with the mods a bit too 'reserved' compared to my M7 metal (A model) pair that were modded with 2nd order butterworth x-overs. I wonder if it was established that the A model tweeters with the flat metal faceplates are sonically different than the B model ringed faceplate tweeters? I suppose I need to pull the tweeters from each and swap them to confirm.
 
Thanks again Pete, I did that and still find the HF of my M7W's (B version) with the mods a bit too 'reserved' compared to my M7 metal (A model) pair that were modded with 2nd order butterworth x-overs. I wonder if it was established that the A model tweeters with the flat metal faceplates are sonically different than the B model ringed faceplate tweeters? I suppose I need to pull the tweeters from each and swap them to confirm.
I thought the difference was already established?
 
Thanks again Pete, I did that and still find the HF of my M7W's (B version) with the mods a bit too 'reserved' compared to my M7 metal (A model) pair that were modded with 2nd order butterworth x-overs. I wonder if it was established that the A model tweeters with the flat metal faceplates are sonically different than the B model ringed faceplate tweeters? I suppose I need to pull the tweeters from each and swap them to confirm.

Don't know Jim, maybe the tweeters are partially blown, or use treble control to get a bit more?
I'm aware of the different tweeters but have only dealt with the plastic face ones.

I believe that the question has been raised about tweeter differences and someone else offered
that there was no significant difference.
 
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Found the sparkle! Pete, way back you suggested that a better tweeter might make a difference. Zilch rightly stated that it wasn't a reasonable exercise for most considering the cost of the M7's. I happened to have a pair of Peerless 810665's without a home and without any cost for me aside from a bit of baffle carving and faceplate trimming. The result in stunning! :music:

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Been some time since I have touched on the minimus/ optimus 7 and 77 speakers but getting back into them again. I have a set of the Optimus 7 speakers (I stuffed the ports with Dacron Fibre for their length to kill the obnoxious chuffing since the ports dont help at all) I bought new back in 1990. They were used in my my parents Suzuki Samurai that lacked anything resembling a reasonable sound system along with a portable CD player. Cabin gain provided reasonable bass and I was happy with the sound, blissfully ignorant of the generally horrible midrange thanks to the listening environment. The eventually went back in original bags and foam packaging in boxes where they sat untouched for the better part of 25 years unused. Then I happened across the discussion of the work done by Zilch and figured I would give that a go. Worked up a PE order, with cheap but more than good Dayton film caps and inductors per the Zilch 2.1 design. Parts arrived shortly there after and before the mod i took a half hour to refamiliarize myself with them. Frankly I was not very impressed with they way they sounded or imaged. So I did the needful on one of them and had another listen. The side by side A/B was breathtaking. I immediately did the second speaker and was very rewarded for the modest cost and effort. Literally night and day. I use them now for our portable theater setup when we go to friends backyard movie night parties and at the cabin we rent each year in the mountains. A friend that is into sound and music like I am was blown away by them. Now the drivers will run run out of steam pretty fast and they dont dig deep if pushed. But generally from around 125Hz and up they are a pretty darn good speaker for general listening. BBC LS3/5 speakers they are not though.

My latest project are a pair of the Optimus 77 speakers. Stock they are the same tweeters and crossovers as the minimus and Optimus 7's with a larger enclosure and a 5" woofer. Same generally piss poor sound and imaging due to the woofer being left to do its thing without control. I bought one set, supposedly in good working order off fleebay and the seller did some of the worst packing I have ever seen. The handling by the USPS, of course, was nothing short of criminal brutality and resulted in one od the enclosures being bent and broken. That and both woofers were cooked. The seller apologized and refunded me the full amount and told me to keep them or dispose of them. So I set those aside for eventual repair and ordered a second set. They were also supposed to be in perfect working order, LOL. The woofers foam surround was disinterested so the search for replacements began. I eventually happened across the FaitalPro 5RE120 and ordered a pair as their specs suggested that they would be a good replacement and a serious upgrade as well. Sadly they need modification to fit and the bolt hole circle is about 5mm smaller than the stock drivers and the basket edges are turned up where stock are flat. But after molding the drivers and installing them the results we're pretty stunning. BUT, there was a difference between the two pairs I had! One set had the exact same crossover as the Optimus7's I have and this pair have an additional inductor in the woofer of .8mH so it has a 6dB/octive low pass filter. It tamed the midrange and the difference was night and day. I then had a look at the tweeter since the woofer was so much of an improvement and ordered up a pair of Wavecor TW030WA14 drivers. They have a much higher power rating and a back chamber as well. They will of course require an adapter plate too but I expect that they will compliment the FaitalPro woofer. Also gonna dampen the interior of the metal enclosure and remove the crossover to an exterior box to allow for experimenting and consistent enclosure volume.
 
Don't know what good those two pic do but... I have the tweeters, they require an adapter plate to fit the enclosure. I have a machinest coworker fabricating them now and should have them back soon. I will also make adapter plates for the inputs with panel banana inputs so I can put the crossover outboard for tweeks or to simply BiAmp them Again, no pictures yet, use your imagination for Pete sake! It ain't hard to figure it out. When I have the plates back I will do the install of the tweeter on one and sweep it against the stock tweeter to see where it stands. I have to admit that it is kinda silly to throw $325.00 worth of drivers at a pair of these optimus 77 speakers. But I expect that the Wavecor tweeters will be a hell of an improvement and a good match for the Faital Pro driver. Now I just gotta work out the crossover. But hay, it's a freakin hobby and I have the spare change to play with.
 
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So I have been sitting on the adapter plates to mount the Wavecor TW030WA14 in the Optimus 77 speakers and finally got around to mounting and having a listen. First thing is that, compared to the stock tweeters the Wavecor is far more efficient. Side by side against the stock the highs are louder. Now this is not a bad thing since the woofers were replaced with the FaitalPro 5FE120 drivers which were also more efficient and somewhat overpowered the stock tweeter. So in terms of overall balance they seem to match each other rather well. As I said before, these are on stock unmodified crossovers. In my case I think these are rare since mine have a 12dB high pass for the tweeter with a 3.9uF and .4mH inductor and a 6dB low pass with a .8mH inductor. Will try to do a sweep before and after soon when time allows. Here are the pics. As to the color of the paint used for the plates? Just the first can to hand and so that was the color they got. Not actually a bad look to be honest.
 

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Oh, we have a pair of Realistic Minimus-7 at home :

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I remember that these tiny-cool speakers were very decent sounding for their size ! :cool:

I should A/B them with my other miniatures , just for a comparison :

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Zilch 2.1 crossover them things, it will be night and day and you will never look back. I did it with a pair of optimus7 Pro, same as the minimus but with a port that i plugged, they simply shined!
 
Below are the latest pics of the speakers since the upgrades. This pair of speakers I suspect were from an early batch likely made in Japan before they got to work on reducing the cost so the execs could buy a new summer home. They have a decent MB mounted crossover with a 6dB coil for the woofer and a 12dB for the tweeter. Of course the cap was a NP electrolytic so when I ordered the tweeters I also ordered the poly replacements. The NP caps were in a location that had two holes on one side allowing me to simply clear the hole and solder in the axial cap after folding the one lead over. The reason I chose the Audyn caps is simple, they didn't have the Dayton's in that value or were not in stock. I go with the cheapest basic films for crossovers as experience has shown me that caps costing 10 to 100 times as much sound just the very same. As they stand they sound much clearer, as is to be expected of a pair of tweeters that cost more than the entire pair of speakers were when bought new. I did plug the rear ports to limit the excursions of the woofer at the obvious cost of a bit of base extension. I think that the tweeters will need a pit of padding down as well but will have to sweep them before I know if my ears are wrong or right. That's about all I got for now.
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