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Now that we have that settled, I'll tell you something that pi$$e$ me off no end.

Sorry, ladies, but as much as I'd love to be able to watch a World Series game from behind the plate, it really frosts my corn flakes when the TV cameras do the closeup of the batter, and there's some air-head blonde broad sitting behind the catcher texting on her cell phone, touching up her makeup, or comparing her latest manicure with the airhead sitting next to or behind her. WATCH THE EFFIN' GAME, or give me your ticket!! You can gab in the parking lot!!!

That's all.:D

Yeah, that also irked my wife - who's first MLB game, around age 12, was a World Series Game 7!!
 
Legs flailing . Watch it in real time . The fielder is in no way flailing away . lol

If the runner is in the base path where he should be , the fielder is inconsequential .

And I've seen Jim Joyce's calls "without hesitation" . He needs to be sent down to the minors .
If the teams were reversed in that play, you'd be praising the ump for a great call.:smoke:
 
As a professional rules official in another sport and very experienced in parsing the words in rules, allow me to help with the analysis...

Correct. Once the defensive player was on the ground, errant throw passed him and gone, he was sprawled in the path of the base runner. Had the runner not tripped over the impeding defensive player, he beats the throw home easily. Like it or not, that is what happened. Instant replay validates the obstruction call.

Correct.

The instant replay showed that 3rd baseman lifted both legs up which was what actually tripped up the runner. It was not a normal movement/ reaction if he was trying to get up and after the ball. You would normally push yourself up on your hands and knees. I have no skin in the game here and no bias ( actually want the Sox to win sense they are an AL East team). That was the correct call. Perhaps if the baseman at least tried to make it look like he was going after the ball he might have been able to get away with it.

Correct, but not relevant to the situation. The fielder's movements, such as lifting his legs up, have nothing to do with the decision.

The baserunner was out of the basepath . The fielder was in the act of trying to field the ball and therefore not obstucting the baserunner . Judgement call .

Incorrect.

Once the errant throw skipped past the third baseman, he no longer was in the act of fielding the ball, as defined by the rule. At that point he became a defensive player between the runner and home plate, flailing his legs around and up, impeding the runner. It was indeed a judgement call-one that was judged correctly, fairly, and without hesitation.

Correct, but flailing his legs around has nothing to do with the decision, and the only judgement call involved was whether or not the runner would have been safe at the next base had the obstruction not taken place.

Legs flailing . Watch it in real time . The fielder is in no way flailing away . lol

If the runner is in the base path where he should be , the fielder is inconsequential ...

Incorrect.



Here's the actual rule, and the definition of "Obstruction":

MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL RULE 7.06
"(a) When obstruction occurs, the umpire shall call or signal 'Obstruction.'

"If a play is being made on the obstructed runner, or if the batter-runner is obstructed before he touches first base, the ball is dead and all runners shall advance, without liability to be put out, to the bases they would have reached, in the umpire’s judgment, if there had been no obstruction. The obstructed runner shall be awarded at least one base beyond the base he had last legally touched before the obstruction. Any preceding runners, forced to advance by the award of bases as the penalty for obstruction, shall advance without liability to be put out."

Here is another key, key part as defined in Rule 2 (Definitions): "OBSTRUCTION is the act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner. If a fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and if the ball is in flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the ball he may be considered "in the act of fielding a ball." It is entirely up to the judgment of the umpire as to whether a fielder is in the act of fielding a ball. After a fielder has made an attempt to field a ball and missed, he can no longer be in the "act of fielding" the ball. For example: an infielder dives at a ground ball and the ball passes him and he continues to lie on the ground and delays the progress of the runner, he very likely has obstructed the runner."

The key points are that the fielder is no longer in the act of fielding the ball, (which was now on its way into left field), and that no intent is necessary. In other words, it doesn't matter if the fielder had stuck up his legs on purpose or not. The fielder was lying on the ground, he was not at that moment fielding the ball, he was in the runner's way, and that impeded the runner. If the runner had been thrown out by 30 feet, then the umpire clearly could have concluded that he would have been out anyway, and thus no obstruction took place. However, since it was still a bang-bang play at home, even after the runner tripped, fell down, got himself back up and running, there is zero probability that the runner would have been out without being tripped.

100% correct call.
 
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You're welcome!

In talking to local friends, the main point of confusion was around whether or not the 3rd baseman stayed on the ground deliberately, or whether or not he stuck up his legs deliberately. One of the important things I've learned about the rules of a sport is if a specific point is never mentioned in a rule, that usually means that in the situation being described in the rule, that point doesn't apply. In the rule about obstruction, the word "intent" doesn't appear. So, that means it doesn't apply, and whether the act of obstruction was deliberate or completely accidental doesn't matter.

While a runner may not leave the basepath to avoid a tag, that doesn't apply when simply running the bases. If he's running a big arc around the bases, and goes way wide because he's going as fast as he can, that's fine. Obstruction is any obstruction that impedes the runner, no matter where it is.

What an exciting end, eh!! :yikes: I can't ever remember seeing that before!

I'm running out for bake-at-home pizza right now so I'm ready for tonight! :banana:
 
Does anyone know why they only show the "Foxtrax" pitch location grid about every 20 pitches? Are they afraid of showing how many ball/strike calls are wrong?
 
Does anyone know why they only show the "Foxtrax" pitch location grid about every 20 pitches? Are they afraid of showing how many ball/strike calls are wrong?

They're probably afraid of scaring off the loyal Fox viewing audience with an overload of information they would have to actually think about for themselves.
 
Well, I'm probably not going there...:para:

I know that the pitch grid is never shown live in a ballpark, because of the obvious fear of the home plate ump being killed by an avalanche of beer bottles. I don't understand why it isn't used for every pitch on tv. I think it's really interesting, from multiple perspectives.
 
Well, I'm probably not going there...:para:

I know that the pitch grid is never shown live in a ballpark, because of the obvious fear of the home plate ump being killed by an avalanche of beer bottles. I don't understand why it isn't used for every pitch on tv. I think it's really interesting, from multiple perspectives.

I find it interesting as well. I wish I knew more about how it functions so I would have a better feel for how accurate it is, though.
 
Me, too. The center field camera is so far away that while you can clearly see the apex of a curving pitch, you can't tell where the apex is with respect to the plate.

What the graphic appears to show is that on any pitch within +/- 4" or so of the paint, the ump is guessing. And it's been the same for every game.
 
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Me, too. The center field camera is so far away that while you can clearly see the apex of a curving pitch, you can't tell where the apex is with respect to the plate.

What the graphic appears to show is that on any pitch within +/- 4" or so of the paint, the ump is guessing. And it's been the same for every game.

This would require a signal emitting or scanning function integrated into home plate (or a dead overhead, lookdown device), which is something I think we would have heard about. I'm certain that a highly sophisticated system would yield remarkable accuracy, but, I seriously doubt that's what were seeing. I might look into it a bit, now that my interest has been piqued.
 
Fair play to Boston for striking back and evening the series. This thing is steadily working it's way into a seven game affair. Good stuff.
 
Does anyone know why they only show the "Foxtrax" pitch location grid about every 20 pitches? Are they afraid of showing how many ball/strike calls are wrong?

I saw the "grid" on most pitches of the Dodgers NCLS series and it consistently showed blatantly missed calls or a unnaturally widened strike zone, one I felt put the squeeze on the Dodger pitchers more often than not:yes:
 
Very inconsistent strike zone in this series so far, especially on pitches at the knees. I thought for sure that Holliday was gonna get tossed. Can't wait for tonight's game. Another "Never before in World Series History" moment?
 
I know. All the games besides game 1 have been taut, suspenseful affairs, and the shocker ending of the past two have been wild to see. Both teams are really into it and giving their best. Every pitch is drama. Can't wait till tonight. In my mind, it's pretty much a must win situation for the Cards.
 
Must win for the Sox also. If this goes to a Game 7 who is going to start for the them? Peavy, Dempster, or Buchholz?? Combined they have a Postseason ERA of 14.46 :thumbsdn:
 
Great series so far. If this goes 7 I have no idea what the Sox will do for a starting pitching option. I don't have any faith in Peavy or Dempster from what I have seen so far and I think Bucholz arm is done for the year. IMHO the best option is Felix Dubront given his success out of the bullpen in the playoffs and the Cardinal's anemic numbers against lefties.
 
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