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"Most memorable audio receivers" article... not a Sansui in sight!

Sure. I'll address those points in reverse order. Your dislike of receivers was noted, and I made no argument over that point. It is a matter of taste with which I'll take no issue. I own receivers and separates - many of both in fact - so I'm well aware of the compromises that typically characterize receivers. Despite that, there are many high performing receivers, so a blanket write off of the enitre category is short sighted.

As to "back in the day" your generalized assessment of Sansui as an inferior brand then (versus now? And compared to what?) according to "most people" is exactly backwards. From 1970-1980 Sansui was very well regarded for making quality gear. Their reputation started falling off circa 1981 due to the mass market portion of their business increasingly turning into junk up until around 1986. By 1988 or so, they withdrew to selling only in Japan with their remaining line of high end amps, ceding the international mid-fi market entirely to other players.

Sansui in 2020 is just another empty shell of a name appropriated by new owners trying to capitalize on it's past glory, while destroying the very value in the name they seek to exploit. If you had stated that Sansui post-2000 was junk, you'd have no disagreement from me. However, your original post as phrased trashes what is inarguably Sansui's best era, historically speaking.

Thus, I stand by my assessment.

Just a minor correction ,sansuiman, they were right on the game during 1988- 1999 , then they started to withdraw from international markets.
I know , cause last amps we got here in Athens were imported in 1999 . Then they just stepped down , and delivered amps only in japan.
 
Inferior, I don't think so. If you look at what Sansui achieved is mine blowing compared to the other two back in the 70's.

Fastest sew rate in an amplifier and receiver. AU-X1 - G-33000
Best quad receiver. QRX-9001
Second top rated tuner to the Kenwood. TU-X1
Second most powerful receiver. G-33000


I think that is amazing accomplishment.

The feller that made that article doesn't know his history.
Second to the kenwood? No . Not in a million years.
TU-X1 was the best tuner ever built.
It was only second to it's self. After the update.
True , it took some three months to update it , and make it the worlds best tuner.

Yeah , After technics SA10000 that was supposed to output 330wrms/8ohms , but never did.
Actually it was metered at 290wrms/8ohms both channels driven , by AUDIO MAGAZINE, back in 1978.
So G33000 was still the undefeated leader. Well it was pumping out more than 300wrms , actually 380wrms, 8 ohms both channels driven at rated distortion.
It still does.
Some things are worth saying.
 
Then I found a 7070 sitting at a thrift store... Baffled by it's sea foam green display and $150 price I contemplated for about 20 minutes searching on my cell phone before buying it. I liked the way it sounded. I just liked everything about it..
I had one. I found it at a yard sale . She gave it to me. ( I threw her 10:00) . Excellent in sound and looks. A Ak friend and I, we put it up against an 828. It more than held its own .
 
The sound was rich, full, and extremely pleasant.

I had no sonic complaints, and it was breathtaking to look at.

I think they deserve to be on
this list, but ultimately, it is trivial.
Yes
To all these.

Don’t quite understand why anyone would come in here and bait a fellow member about a particular brand they like . ( not you, Tim ) . I have no separates currently, although I did at one time , including a AU 717, a SA 9500mkll and a pair of Kenwood separates.

Enjoy what you like and leave us alone . It’s all good .
 
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I should clarify that Sansui ended US sales around 1988 near as I can determine. I was not aware they continued to sell in Greece until 1999, but is good to hear they did so. It appears that limited sales continued in parts of Europe as I do sometimes see later amplifier models for sale online that are factory configured for 220 volt operation, rather than 100 volt 50Hz only.

The US market never got any of the late (post 1988) alphas unless they were direct imported by a buyer, as they weren't sold here at all. Sansui had already wound down their dealer network and American operations by then. Interestingly, the B-209 tube amp was actually manufactured the the USA to specifications drafted by Sansui. I can't remember with certainty now, but the transformers in that may have been supplied by Tamura as with some of the Alpha series models.

Also interesting those test measurements on the Technics SA-1000 not meeting it's published spec of 330wpc. Didn't the SA-1000 use Sanken brick type output devices rather than discrete transistors? From my understanding, a blown channel cannot be repaired on the SA-1000 now as no OE parts or suitable substitutes are available.

Could you expand on the revisions to the TU-X1? Were these factory changes applied during production, or modifications done as part of a later restoration?
 
@Sansuiman
On July 1990 I called SANSUI rep in New York asking the price of AU-X901 , and was informed about AU-X911DG, and the little higher price of it at $1350 typical retail price.
As I said , in earlier post , SANSUI kept selling machines to EUROPE till late 1999. Actually we had one B 209 in the rep show , as static model. Sold in 2015 here to a greek guy.
Regarding techincs behemoth , I know very few things. What I'm saying is what I read on that magazine.
TU-X1 , had several production runs. The first on 1978 , where some 100 units were built , and some sent for test in magazines.
There they found out that KENWOOD was ahead by a hairline,and then SANSUI made some changes for the next runs. I think the main run was in 1979 and on.
They even published a service bulletin , on how to remedy the issue on the old units. As they did with AU-X1 having the bulletins made public to solve the problems.
 
@Sansuiman
TU-X1 , had several production runs. The first on 1978 , where some 100 units were built , and some sent for test in magazines.
There they found out that KENWOOD was ahead by a hairline,and then SANSUI made some changes for the next runs. I think the main run was in 1979 and on.
They even published a service bulletin , on how to remedy the issue on the old units. As they did with AU-X1 having the bulletins made public to solve the problems.

Yes, I did know about this but thanks for letting others know.
 
Found this article on Audioholics from 2015. No Sansuis made their list, nor their poll in the "how could you leave this off" comments.

https://www.audioholics.com/audio-amplifier/the-most-memorable-audio-receivers-of-all-time

I just stumbled across the article. I know nothing about that site or magazine, but thought I'd share my shock at no Sansui on their list.

I remember reading the article when it first came out and just read it again, and think it's well done all things considered. Those types of articles are hard to write and you will never make everybody happy. Feinstein generally writes decent stuff that is isn't as stuffy or pompous as most articles of this type. His similar article on speakers is also good.

But I definitely agree that at least one Sansui receiver should have been listed. To make room for a Sansui or two, my suggestion would have been to dump the McIntosh 1900, which is not that memorable to most, and also dump the Pioneer SX-1010.

The SX-1010 may technically have been the first 100 wpc receiver, but the same year it was introduced (1974), the Marantz 2325 was also introduced at 125 wpc. The 9090 wasn't too much later at 110 wpc. Both 2325 and 9090 are more iconic than the SX-1010 these days. The other Pioneers deserve to be there as do the 2230/2245/2270 line, arguably the best receiver lineup of all-time in terms of staying relevant and desirable for so many years.

Would like to see a similar article from Feinstein or someone else about integrated amplifiers. Sansui should fare well in that article, as would Kenwood.
 
I remember reading the article when it first came out and just read it again, and think it's well done all things considered. Those types of articles are hard to write and you will never make everybody happy. Feinstein generally writes decent stuff that is isn't as stuffy or pompous as most articles of this type. His similar article on speakers is also good.

But I definitely agree that at least one Sansui receiver should have been listed. To make room for a Sansui or two, my suggestion would have been to dump the McIntosh 1900, which is not that memorable to most, and also dump the Pioneer SX-1010.

The SX-1010 may technically have been the first 100 wpc receiver, but the same year it was introduced (1974), the Marantz 2325 was also introduced at 125 wpc. The 9090 wasn't too much later at 110 wpc. Both 2325 and 9090 are more iconic than the SX-1010 these days. The other Pioneers deserve to be there as do the 2230/2245/2270 line, arguably the best receiver lineup of all-time in terms of staying relevant and desirable for so many years.

Would like to see a similar article from Feinstein or someone else about integrated amplifiers. Sansui should fare well in that article, as would Kenwood.

Agree on the integrated amps, the Kenwood Supreme series would definitely deserve a spot.

But have to disagree about the Pioneer SX1010 not deserving a spot, it is considered the grandfather of the monster receiver and many think one of Pioneer's best sounding.
 
I'd also like to know how Sansui ranked in sales numbers. I think it's a given that Pioneer was the biggest operation in terms of production and sales. They could outdo just about anyone on the straight numbers. That metric doesn't mean they were better, of course, just that their factory could build more and their distribution and retail were capable of moving more product.

Their marketing was probably stronger as well, but in terms of magazine ads - which were the prevalent vehicle of the day for promoting hifi - Sansui was no slouch. I'm not sure where Marantz fell in terms of size/market penetration/sales numbers but get the feeling that they were a small boutique brand under Saul Marantz, got bigger under Superscope, and had even more juice behind them once acquired by Philips. For direct comparison to Sansui, really only the Superscope and early Philips eras are relevant. But it appears to me they were near equal to if not slightly trailing Sansui in overall nunber of units sold.

Receivers were also a largely US-centric product. They were sold elsewhere, but overwhelmingly were aimed at the North American market (to include Canada as they seem to have sold well there). Despite that, Sansui was a prolific manufacturer of receivers for a company of their size. A huge part of their manufacturing caoacity had to be devoted to receivers for most of the 70's.

Looking at what is available for sale now in vintage receivers, there is a LOT of Sansui product out there even after 40-50 years. There is more Pioneer at any given time, and Marantz seems to be well represented in used sales. I'd say Kenwood was more than a bit player, as a lot of their stuff is still out there but I figure they were smaller than Sansui yet bigger than say Akai, for example.

Anyway I post all that to try and establish who the biggest players were, as that directly impacts the numbers sold when new, and therefore current impressions of what was popular back in the day. I don't see how Sansui can be completely overlooked, as they were big enough to sell a massive amount of gear and were well regarded as a quaity product. That their sound was and still is renowned and specifically sought out is notable.

I didn't look at the poll linked from the article, nor did I look at the related speaker article (no JBL, really?). So it looks like the author of both articles has some big blind spots, or is heavily biased such that his lists are of questionable value. He does mention Sansui in passing a couple of times, so he is aware of them. That tells me the lack of any Sansui models on the list is not an oversight, but an intended slight.

Really though, I consider all such lists to be cop outs of lazy journalism. They fill page space by pontificating on old news, colored by the opinions of the writer. They cover no new ground, and in the process manage to create controversy by tweaking those who have a differing opinion. And here we all are, engaged in the fully expected Pavlovian repsonse, so I guess he did his job.

I think if integrated amplifiers were included the results might have been different.
QUAD receivers like the QRX-9001 belonged on the list.
I recently picked up a lowly QRX-6500 and can't believe the technology, especially given it was made in the very early Seventies.
 
I agree about the clear Pioneer bias. That's what probably surprised me the most - including the entire SX-x2x line, the SX-1010, and the SX-1250 - and not having a single Sansui from that era. And then if you click the "how-could-you-leave-this-off" link, there is a poll at the top, which again has no Sansui. Maybe the biggest flaw, if you are going to include quadraphonic, again to not have Sansui on that list is grossly negligent. Anyway, just kind of interesting for a Friday night...

I had multiple Pioneers once. My QX-949 developed issues, and so picked up a Sansui QR-4500 for use while I worked on the Pioneer. Rest is history. I ended up selling all of my Pioneer as I acquired Sansui. The SX-828 is the only one I regret selling, just a little bit.

I can pick up a Sansui QR-4500 locally, what can you tell me about it?
For reference, I own an unrestored QRX-6500 and a restored AU-7700.
 
I can pick up a Sansui QR-4500 locally, what can you tell me about it?
For reference, I own an unrestored QRX-6500 and a restored AU-7700.

I really like mine. It's the first Sansui Quad receiver I bought. The QR receivers had the first version of Sansui synthesized quad. In addition, it only has Sansui's QS decoding, so can not decode SQ or CD-4 if you have any of those quad formats. It was second from TOTL, which was the QR-6500. I have that as well. In reality, the only difference between the two is the 6500 has separate controls for front and rear channels such as loudness and filter switches, whereas front and rears are both controlled on one switch on the 4500. While the two tuners are not identical in design, they are both equally good. The 4500 has a simpler dial string path than the 6500, which is unnecessarily complicated. I have not owned or heard anything from the QRX line, so can't comment on the differences you might notice.
 
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