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my 300B SET project

I had guests SET12 and No Regrets over on Sunday for an afternoon of listening. SET12 brought his monster 30lb (1645?) Hammond OPTs for us to audition on my amps.

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Thanks Dave,

They are the 1642SE Hammonds and they are 28lbs each. While we certainly heard a shelving down in your system, they certainly don't come across the same way in my system. Perhaps its all in the voicing of parts and system components.

Generally its true that smaller outputs have greater bandwidth, but these do sing very well here. And in my system there are no apparent losses to my ears. The 120ma of standing current in little trannys have shown some short comings to my ears though.

As you have heard yourself, I do indeed have one of the largest sound stages around and few equal it. It also has the ability to present authority with ease with considerable detail and I'm very happy with the systems tonality.

SET12
 
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Very true SET, in your system they are truly King. In the back of my head I was hoping that they would unleash my amps as nicely as they did yours. Your amps are really something to hear, I'm very happy we were able make this test.
 
Very true SET, in your system they are truly King. In the back of my head I was hoping that they would unleash my amps as nicely as they did yours. Your amps are really something to hear, I'm very happy we were able make this test.

Thanks Dave,

There are many things going on in my amps that certainly contribute to their sound and of course they are substantially more sophisticated and have more than 10 times the energy reserves with supply paths that are faster as well.

SET12
 
I had guests SET12 and No Regrets over on Sunday for an afternoon of listening. SET12 brought his monster 30lb (1645?) Hammond OPTs for us to audition on my amps. After about 90 minutes of listening we shut down and cooled and then did a quick solder job. We removed the B+ lead from my OPTs and hooked up the monsters. After warm up we listened to some of the same songs for comparison. It turns out the three of us have very similar hearing. We all felt that there was a marginal improvement in space created by the big iron. We also all felt the tonal shift was very slightly lower than before. Bass was slightly better, the highs were there but a bit softer. After an hour or so we changed back to the original OPTs and listened some more. I'll let the others chime in if they want to make any further comments on what they heard. One of the other benefits of these get togethers is listening to different music. For me No Regrets won in that category with a Chris Botti CD titled "Italia" it was some of the smoothest trumpet music I had ever heard. I ordered my own copy this morning!
For those that read back a few posts, the Sophia 300B globe mesh plates have a few hundred hours on them now and are really nice tubes, I'm totally satisfied with them.
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Hi Dave,

Thank you so much for having me to your beautiful home to listen to your system. You have done an excellent job building your 300B amps. You are quite a craftsman, with an excellent attention to detail. I was very impressed to say the least......folk's, as nice as these pictures do look, they just do not capture the true essence of how they look in person.

To my ears, your system was very musical and enjoyable indeed. It was an interesting experiment trying the two different output transformers. As can be seen in the photo, the sheer size of SET12's transformer certainly commands respect. I would agree that the three of us did hear things very similarly. I wish we could combine some of the strengths of Dave's transformers with those of SET12's.....that would really be something.

It is true when you hear people refer to "synergy". It is extremely important. All to often when people hear a great sounding system, they tend to think along the lines of ..... "Wow, those are great speakers!" or "Wow, what a great sounding amp!" Thinking that it is that sole component that is making all the difference. They tend to forget that it takes everything (source components, cables, tubes, capacitors, transformers, speakers, room interactions, etc) to work together as a system. What can truly sound beautiful in one system can inevitably sound not quite so in another. It's not just one part, but rather the sum of all the parts working together as a whole that truly makes a system sing. It can take a very long time to "voice" one's system to match what your expectations of sound are. That journey, if you will, is all part of the fun that we so much enjoy with this hobby.

I would say that Dave is well on his way with this journey. He has put together a system that is highly entertaining. We played a great variety of music that afternoon and it always impressed with great vocals, great speed and dynamics, wonderful ambiance, always sounding musical. We all had our heads bobbing and toes a tapping. It was great fun!

Thanks Dave for such an enjoyable afternoon!

All the best,
No Regrets
 
great thread!

davec - beautiful amps! what model of hammonds are on the amp now? any chance of a schematic of your power supply?

those 1642s are massive!

great posts from budp as well... makes me curious about his iron.
 
Thank you Rage, the Hammond OPTs on my amps are 1627SE. Send me a PM and I'll get you the power supply schematic.
 
I acquired a set of Plitron out put transformers for my amps this week, thanks to Redboy having a set for sale. I installed the first one on election night as I thought it was a more productive way to spend my time. If you look at my avatar picture and pictures from past posts you can see that I paid a lot of attention to the appearance of my amps. Installing the Plitrons required major modifications. (Large holes needed to be drilled.) All went smoothly and I fired up my system with amp 1 converted. The sound of the Plitrons is very very well balanced from top to bottom. I listened for about an hour. Tonight I did the 2nd amp. I fired up the system and all is well. The tonal balance is very good and the sound stage has more depth and separation of instruments than before. The sweet spot is also much wider.
If you were buying these new you would lay out just under $1100.00 compared to the Hammond 1627SEs at about $280.00 so they are spendy! The Plitrons weigh in at 11 lbs or so so the amps gained a lot more weight also. I spent over 2 hours listening to different CDs tonight and found everything sounds more detailed, bad recordings included. More to follow as listening time allows.
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Thanks Nate, I'll post more as I learn more about them. They are very nice right out of the gate but I like to tweak and try stuff.
 
I've got about 6 hours of listening time in on the Plitron conversion now, I'm very impressed with the results. These amps always sounded better than what they sell at the store but they took several steps up the ladder on this change. The separation and depth of the sound while good before will stand up against the best I've ever heard. The Hammond OPT is a great starting point for a project, higher end OPTs do give you a lot more though. The laws of diminishing return apply to all this stuff, depending on your ears and pocket book you can stop along the way until a deal comes your along. I think exploring power cords is next.
 
More Plitrons

It's been 11 months since I reported on my 300B amps. These amps in their present state are as close to perfection as I could have ever hoped for, hard to turn off!
I have been building another set of amps with a slightly different driver section. The new ones have a 12BH7 wired parallel feeding a 7193. The Plitron output transformers I installed on the last 300B build sound soooooo good that I bought another pair for my new build. The 300B / Plitron combination is hard to beat.
The Wisconsin fall has moved in and the evenings are cool and short on light, perfect for spending time at the workbench. As winter moves in I'll stay busy making progress on the new amps.

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Nate, I've got the SP-25 turntable, Ortophon Blue MM cart and a Boozehound pre. A remarkable combination. Stop on over sometime!
 
My newest amp is singing! The first tube on this amp is a parallel wired 12BH7, very dynamic, very clean sounding. Gotta be careful with that heavy Plitron standing on it's side though, the center of gravity created calls for care to avoid falling over. :thmbsp:
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I thought I'd bring the followers up to date on this latest build.



Today I almost finished the cosmetic details on one of my new 300B monoblocks. I need a volume knob yet and a couple of details need to be corrected on the cherry trim accent on the front. These amps sound absolutely beautiful. I have a set of premium black treasure tubes for them, I had them installed when I did the final voicing and loved the sound even with only a couple hours on them. When I get the other amp painted (BTW the white is pearl with orange red glow) I'll set them in the living room and spend an evening or two with them.



To quote one of my local audiophile friends, "Those amps have got stump pulling torque!"





 
Finished the second amp today. I set them under the Christmas tree for the pictures. Sound trials begin tonight! :yes:

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