Neat Shield MO-19 Idler clone

[gregvoth]

Similar to the Neat P-58H table. Looks identical from what I see. I found the Shield nearly tossed into a dumpster. The motor is not quite wired up so it didn't work when plugged in. I'm I. NYC area. Anyone know this table?

 

[JeremyDepp]

Sweet table. NEAT sold tables to be re-branded by a number of companies (Lafayette, Jason, Shield, etc.). Solid table with rim-drive. You looking to sell it?

 

[JohnMac]

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Can you post some pictures for us?

Cheers,
John

 

[KentTeffeteller]

Neat in Japan made this turntable and it was sold under the Shield private label. A very high quality vintage Japanese idler drive which is highly respected today. Easily broadcast quality in every way and built like a tank. I'd restore this turntable and enjoy it every day. A classic!

 

[fiddlefye]

Love to see some pics!

 

[gregv]

Here are some pics

The table is now in the hands of a trusted repair fella. He's going to check the motor to see if it's viable.

 

[loomis]

Fantastic unit. Giant killer. Restore it. Have Terry's Rubber Rollers resurface the idler wheel. He has the Neat P58 specs on hand afaik.

 

[gregvoth]

Thanks for the encouragement, loomis! I dropped the table off to a trusted repair friend who says he can easily check the viability of the motor without having to wire it up but, as yet, he hasn't touched the unit. I think he's afraid that it's too much of a mechanical nightmare. I keep stressing, 'Just check the motor.' (!)

 

[jeremyjustic]

its not that hard to get it wired up and see if it will play. I doubt the motor will have any problems, they are built to last. I got three Russco broadcast turntables all with disconnected wires and such and was able to figure it out fairly easily. just take your time and see if you can get it playing!

 

[jeremyjustic]

wait..... did it come in the plinth and everything or are those web pics?

 

[loomis]

Any updates on this? I rebuilt mine. Little finicky getting the idler wheel section lined up on all speeds, but otheriwise a great unit.

 

[gregv]

Hi guys! Well, the good news is that my dumpster dive table, the Neat Shield MO-19 IS working… though it's running in reverse!!! I left it with my trusted repair guy, who rightfully avoided it for about 7 months, told me to come get it, and then decided to work a little on it as long as I didn't fault him if it broke. He wired it up as best he could and it does run (thanks Tommy!). Its rubber supports are okay, there's a spring that's missing and the idler wheel need resurfacing (all doable). Thankfully, the motor does work and the switch works. The resister is a little warm and smells a bit but it's not getting too warm.

Here's the big question: Do these Denki Onkyo Hysteresis motors run in both directions? He tried reversing the polarity but that had no effect. There are two pairs of red and green wires coming from the motor… would it reverse direction if their wirings were reversed?

 

[NoTransistors]

A brushless A.C. motor will not change direction if the wires coming out of it are reversed. A.C. has no polarity. But if the motor were taken apart, and the core that has the field windings was physically flipped around, this would reverse rotation.
You can do the same thing with the A.C. motor in a Dual turntable.
Is the resistor of which you speak really a start capacitor? That might just as easily be the problem.

 

[gregv]

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Thanks for the reply. I forwarded to my repair guy. As the table was someone else's pet project before I found it, any things possible with that motor! Once it gets going in the right direction I plan to make a WTT arm clone (golf ball type) for it. Thankfully I have the original WTT arm, wired to its PIB box already, complete with counter weights. I need to make the rest of the assembly and have seen some great DIY clones around the net.

Can anyone suggest an alternative arm for this table should I choose to buy one instead? I'd prefer to get an arm that'll take care of my vinyl rather than go so vintage that it'll chew it up. Thoughts on that welcome. Grace 545 was mentioned to me previously...

 

[KentTeffeteller]

Gray arm or maybe a Micro-Trak might be a good choice.

 

[gregv]

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A member of another forum said a missing capacitor in my Neat's circuitry defines the direction of rotation. Any clue how to identify such a beast and where it might go?

 

[fiddlefye]

An arm that would do everything nicely and is readily available would be the Audio Technica ATP-12T. Very well built, sound excellent, cheap, plentiful and can carry a wide range of carts successfully. A 16T would be great, but likely to be much more money.

 

[KentTeffeteller]

I would get the ATP 12-T, a great underrated tonearm.

 

[gregv]

I'm making a Well Tempered clone with some original WT parts that may work well on the Neat Shield. I just need to figure out how to reverse the platter spin.

Here are some photos of the newly rewired Neat Shield MO-19. Any thing you see there that might be causing the platter to run in reverse?

 

[gregv]

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The Shield MO-19 lives! It's running in the right direction. ;-) I was advised to switch out a couple of wires on the condensator. See photo. Now back to work on the arm!